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INDIAN ARMY ISSUES RFI FOR 200000 CQB CARBINES

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  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Indian Army Issues Purchase Plan Of 200,000 Close Quarter Battle Carbine
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    After repeated failures to purchase critical small arms for 1.3 million soldiers, the Indian Army has once again begun the process to purchase 200,000 close quarter battle carbines to add powers for fights in the 200-meter range.


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    New Delhi (Sputnik) — The Indian Army seeks a CQB Carbine with 5.56 mm caliber having minimum range of 200 meters and a hit target with accuracy better than four minutes of angle. Carbines are rifles with short-range barrels and are suitable for close quarter combat.


    Last year, Indian government cancelled a six-year-old tender for obtaining 44,618 close quarter battle carbines and 33.6 million rounds of ammunition. That bid was won by the Galil Ace of Israeli Weapon Industry (IWI) but the Indian Law Ministry did not give a final go-ahead for the "single vendor situation" deal as only one firm passed the trials conducted by the Indian Army.

    Four other global firms, including Italy's Beretta, participated in the bid but failed to meet the tough specifications laid down by the Indian Army. This led to a "single vendor situation" which attracted the attention of competitors who suspected foul play.



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    As current trends suggest, the Indian government may prioritize suppliers who can provide Make in India component in the deal. Israeli IWI & India's Punj Lloyd has set up a JV named Punj Lloyd Raksha Systems aimed to supply small arms, including Galil ACE carbines to Indian armed forces. "This is a joint venture with technology transfer arrangement to manufacture IWI's small arms in India," Ashok Wadhawan, President — Manufacturing Business (Defense and Aerospace) at Punj Lloyd Limited, told Sputnik.


    Punj Lloyd Raksha System may face tough competition from joint venture protective carbine (JVPC) developed by state-owned DRDO and the trials are underway with Army. JVPC has developed in the 5.56x30mm caliber and has a weight of 3.05 kilogram which is very close to the requirement sought by the Indian Army for this tender (3 kilogram). It can fire upto 850-900 round per minute.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201706101054504985-india-purchase-carbine/
     
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    Indian Army seeks a CQB Carbine with 5.56mm Calibre with to achieve following broad characteristics:-

    (a) Effective Range. Minimum 200 meters.

    (b) Accuracy. The CQB Carbine should be capable of achieving accuracy better than four Minutes of Angle up to a range of minimum 200 meters.

    (c) Reliability. The CQB Carbine shall be reliable in its operation as per international standards for reliability and withstand sustained fire.

    (d) Weight. The CQB Carbine should be as light as possible, preferably less than 3 Kgs.

    (e) Modular design.

    (f) Sight. The CQB Carbine should have luminous tipped integrated flip up Open Sight, Reflex Sight and Visible and Invisible laser Spot Designator either as an independent system or integrated with the reflex sight.

    (g) Compatibility with all modern sights and accessories and provision for mounting the same on picatinny rails.

    (h) The CQB Carbine shall be capable of providing the desired performance across all spectrums of employment in the Indian terrain and climatic conditions.

    (j) The CQB Carbine shall comply with the laid down MIL Standards and other International Standards in vogue.

    Tentative date of issue of RFP is August 2017. Total Quantity required is approximately 2,00,000 CQB Carbine out of which the immediate requirement is of approximately 44,000 CQB Carbines. The approximate quantity 44,000 CQB Carbines should be delivered within four (04) months to twenty four months (24) from the day of signing of the contract. The vendors should confirm if they can deliver requisite quantity of CQB Carbine within the stipulated timeframe.
     
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    If we ignore the chamber
    still JVPC didn't have effective range of 200m with 4 MoA (as per my source at OFB) to qualify for it.
    Rest is all depends on IA.
    3.05 kgs is the loaded weight without accessories. I
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Not really, the RFP/bid/trail/contract negotiation process will take the typical 5+++ year time frame.


    Let's just hope the IA doesn't mess around once again and actually sees some fruit from this process.
     
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    So IA wants the carbine to come with a reflex sight+ visible/IR laser (if not already integrated into the sights).

    Am thinking they are saying they want the Mepro MOR sight or MARS.
     
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    JVPC or MSMC, or whatever is called now to seems to be another hack job of OFB, instead of building a simple blowback system, they cut down an insas and pretty much used the rotating bolt, with shortened piston.

    Check out some of B&T offerings, as of this date I feel they are the best at making SBR Carbines.

    https://www.bt-ag.ch/shop/eng/category/bt-weapons
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    No preferences @Fox . It was purely a matter of 'if looks could kill....'; somethings look just great.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    It is trading .20 re off :D

    You got ripped ;)


    Yes. Seems you are right about this. But ever since they have been put on notice, OFB is busy 'genetically engineering' a weapon in even 6 months!:yes4:

    So, you may never know what they come up with!

    :rofl::rofl::rofl::sarcastic::sarcastic::haha::haha::haha::haha:
     
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    Hey, they are the favourites of SPG. My rant the other day was over FN 2000's being there in SPG and SPG not buying all these 'great options' from OFB like Kalantak, Amogh, Ghatak et al but a heavy insistence on Army buying it!


    Likely. But then, this time, it will pass through as the present government is willing to move away from insistence on L1 :D
     
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    They may go for trials, but won't make the cut even then. I certainly have a very uncomfortable feeling thinking about OFB taking Army for a ride again. INSAS is a great weapon on firing range, I have never ever disputed that fact, but it is crap for CQB or combat operations of sustained duration.
     
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