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Indian army soldiers-The Expendables

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Levina, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Then you too would become a Pakistani, right?

    Let me try to another way, First, your assertions that all Kashmirs are guilty of sheltering extremist is incorrect, and second Indian establishment knows how to deal with terrorism, with time it will only get better at doing so.
     
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  2. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    No we won't ........ In simple words Nice nice khelne ka theka India ne nhi le rakhaa if they want to play fox we will play wolf............
     
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  3. lca-fan

    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

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    RIP to Bravehearts.

    And no they are not Expendables, they live in our hearts.:india::india::india:
     
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  4. Inactive

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    It is, but it is also disturbing that the citizens of the country and the government alike, hesitate to take the hard decisions that are needed to ensure that such incidents are met with disproportionate force at the source itself.

    It is like how you undertake to treat a disease. I would like to equate it to the common cold - there is no definitive cure to the viral infection, but merely symptomatic - hence the anti allergics and analgesics along with steam inhalation and saline water gargles. A nuisance infection that is not threatening. This seems to be Indian approach to Kashmir issue right now also, contrary to what was promised and expected by the present government.

    Now, if surgery is required, that means either it is either life/limb saving or oncologic intervention. In either case, the physical and/or emotional health of a patient is at stake. So you undertake this measure accordingly. This is the approach needed - stop treating it as a nuisance and recognise it as the danger it is - of parasitic infection that seems harmless but can choke off your bloodstream or head into your brain and slowly kill you.



    I would attribute it to the top commanders here. What stopped them from deploying CRPF and additionally troops from their own COBs? It is neither the first time nor the last time.

    But unfortunately in Indian Army, a zero error syndrome is prevalent. Who will bell the proverbial cat? Who will take the call that you need the people to get in line? In valley, till 2007, a vehicle coming in between the army convoy was left road unworthy, now it is rampant.

    Who is to blame here? The leadership. That is all.



    Look at the top leadership of security forces. They are to blame too. Recall a Northern Army Commander not too long back who refused to toe the official line of withdrawal of AFSPA as wanted by a certain Home Minister of the time. That Army Commander was in contention to be Chief! But never became!!! LOL!

    Again - look at the local commanders. Whose dictating the tactics? No one. It is your own plan.

    In the general area where this firefight took place, you can not use air power effectively. And contrary to popular belief, in a big operation, Aviation squadron is active with air surveillance missions.

    The operation was in densely forested and hilly terrain - air assets were useless.
     
  5. venureddy

    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Chinese was a communist nation and US has media at its side. We are neither a communist govt nor the media is on our side.
     
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    It happens here too. But that would mean interring the majority of youth of Kashmir!:blink:

    Imagine how Modi will respond to that - his favorite target group being put behind bars!!!:biggthumpup:
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Why should we do care about ki kon kya sochta h ........... itna sb ko pta h kisne kya kiya but they just respect because they know US and China and Israel are powerful and can take action for their interests .................
     
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    A_poster Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Even if your intel network inform you that some Jihadi "Youthia" are planning to stone military vehicles, what could you do? Would you refuse to corner a terrorist in that locality thus allowing it to escape?

    Howsoever strong out intel network is, we would run into such situations. This situation has not risen from tactical incompetence, but from the fact that Muslims hate "kuffar Hindu" army. You could only avert these situations by going full Stalin on these people: forced disappearances, opening fire on those who stone army etc; all of whom would bring bad publicity.
     
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  9. Levina

    Levina Admin- Twitter Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Punjab and Bengal re normal states. J&K has a special status.
    Write it down on stone, tactical solutions are temporary in the valley.
     
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    nair Die hard Romeo Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Not gonna work out.... Because both are totally different scenarios..... In mumbai it was easy..... Where as Kashmir is totally a different scenario...... What makes it difficult is
    1) Involvement of foreign govt and intel agencies
    2) Significant Local support
    3) Significant Political support from local political parties
    4) Presence of Army and paramilitary - other than local police
    5) Lack of clear policy in Delhi
    6) International focus on the issue
    7) A dispute between 2 nuclear rivals...

    Winter is over, and the next wave of issues are going to start.... And this time it is going to get worse... Especially with the current hostilities..... Rival agency is being off the hook and relatively free, and now they will focus on offensive actions with higher degree of damage.....

    It is going to be difficult for GOI to handle this...... there is no right action for this issue, as every action they can take can get the things worse.......
     
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  11. venureddy

    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    well we can't have everything right.
     
  12. venureddy

    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    we too are strong. what's lacking is political will.
     
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  13. Rain Man

    Rain Man 2nd Lieutant POLITICAL ANALYST

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    First thing first, we have to recognize that this 'usual business' of half-jihadis pelting stones and helping full-jihadis to escape while our security forces just allowed to watch or even die in the process with their both hands tied by some social and political compulsion; this cannot be allowed to continue.

    Now, there were incidents where 100+ lost their lives and that didn't cause much of "A PR disasters of epic proportions damaging India's credibility and eventually causing weakening the existing government", nobody in the world gives much attention to deaths when jihadi elements are involved, and India is big enough to handle such PR damages.

    Hence, we should first put some control over the media there to minimize any such PR damage, a few arrests of local pro-separatists and pro-Pakistani reporters, closure of a few such local media houses running vile websites and newspapers, and some restrictions on the movement of journalists from outside should minimize such PR damages.

    Additionally, bleeding-heart 'intellectuals' can be kept busy with scrutiny of their Income Tax papers, scrutiny of their NGO papers, funding, etc. Same can be applied on some bleeding-heart media houses also. Many of them have reasons to be worried about such government attention.

    On the ground, our security forces need to be allowed to shoot anybody trying to help gun-trotting jihadis escape, preferably in the lower portion of the body, but not exclusively, and no action can be initiated against the security personnel for doing so. Any stone-pelter or terrorist-helper getting killed in the process can be declared an 'un-named terrorist' and disposed off. Putting a cost for some malafide action like supporting terrorists does discourage such action, last time stone-pelting suddenly stopped just after army was deployed and demonetization announced, and I think both the steps stopped stone-pelting, because they know army don't use pellet guns.

    Besides, those who help the escaping terrorists and do stone-pelting should be identified from the videos and local intel, picked up, and educated suitably about the consequences of their action with a thick danda, the 'professional' ones should be permanently disposed off. You cannot fight terrorism, armed insurgency and armed jihad with kid gloves, it only embolden them as seen in the past so many years, it's time to separate the good Kashmiris bad Kashmiris there.

    BTW, those jihadi-supporters are already alienated enough for us to not bother about any further alienation.
     
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  14. Rain Man

    Rain Man 2nd Lieutant POLITICAL ANALYST

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    Why can't we harm the stone-pelters who help foreign jihadis escape after killing our men in uniform? Out soldiers are expendables but they are not?
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    We need to start using 51 MM Mortars on these Villages

    Flatten their houses ; INDISCRIMINATELY --then they will come to their senses
     
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