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Indian Army's new Bullet Proof Jacket by DRDO

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Darth Marr, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. Darth Marr

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    When my next generation retires, and the generation after that!
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    @Gessler your thoughts?

    It seems to me as though the IA is 1-2 generations behind in terms of function. This plate carrier certainly looks incredibly well protected but its functionality is almost non-existent, especially when you compare it to any current generation plate carrier:



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    In the DRDO product I don't see any attachment points/ detachable pouches, MOLLE or even velcro or the ability to configure the plate carrier according to role/mission. Can their product be integrated with day sacks? Med packs? Camelbaks?


    It's pretty shocking how little thought is given by the IA into how their soldiers will actually use their equipment in the field......
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Because one need not ape everything. We have molle harness through ACSFP for that, which can be worn over this. Not much of a hassle. They serve as the plate carrier also.

    Secondly, these are attachments, an impediment in operations. Every time an operation is launched/undertaken, a base has to be created wherein your stuff is piled in. In this case, these will not only be an impediment, but also a source for undesirable and unnecessary 'noise' as one would have to pack it fully to ensure no free item is bouncing around.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The MoD in its replies in parliament even writes MCIWS as meeting all specifications , we pretty much know the reality.
     
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    Do you mean this:

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    This is already bulky enough, forcing soldiers to wear something over this seems pretty crazy.
     
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    The black harness.
     
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    Operationally, both are a pain. I would prefer only a plate carrier as we carry tactical bags.
     
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    That is the plate carrier with officer in middle. The remaining is now becoming more or less standard. But the middle one allows flexibility to operate and it is predominantly self stitched plate carrier.
     
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    They have integrated plates though....
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    This just seems very very cumbersome, it must be a pain to operate with such a loadout? Surely an integrated plate carrier+tactical vest makes more sense, with the ability to attach/detach compartments.
     
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    Nope. All have removable plates. There are no integrated plates. You never have an integrated plate BP in Forces for obvious reasons as at times you have to shed the armour for mobility. So a single plate in front suffices instead of standard 2 front 1 back or whatever combination.

    See, if I have to move out, I will make sure that men will jump on the spot to check for noise. More the compartments/attachments, more likely of sound give away. That is a disaster for sure.

    So, in either case, I will make sure men will dump them and then go out for raid/operation by making a base and carrying only the ammunition required along with field dressings (FFD/Shell) per individual. The BFNA will be having a small bag in addition.
     
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    Additionally @Abingdonboy all soldiers are trained to be combat proficient with standard 20 Kg battle load. Heck, in Siachen Battle School, we were running with incremental loads over 20 kgs at 10000 ft ASL and going upto 12000 ft ASL. This allowed for loads of upto 25-30 Kgs to be taken easily upto 16-18000 ft ASL. Beyond, yes, we had to come down to 15 kgs tops.
     
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    It's not a question of copying. It's a question of "if something works, use it. No need to reinvent the wheel". A simple way of making our own products competitive is by first figuring out what the best in the business are doing, and then emulating their design strategies to suit our needs.

    A Fighting Load Carrier (FLC) is typically meant to allow the soldier to carry additional equipment while being lighter & cheaper than a proper vest. Yes, they can be worn over the BPJ but as @Abingdonboy said it's an unnecessary complication - why buy BPJs and FLCs separately while a simply design change (addition of molle) to the BPJ can do both roles and tremendously increase the adaptability of the BPJ to various roles? It even costs less that way.

    I'll reserve judgement on the DRDO BPJ till more details and clearer pics are out...but as an initial assessment, I'd say DRDO is looking to do what the US Army did with the Outer Tactical Vest (OTV) program, and later the Improved OTV -

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    Let's see where they go with it.
     
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