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Indian diplomat arrested in US for visa fraud, handcuffed in public

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  1. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    dalit mullah mayawati has spoken....
     
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  2. layman

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    Outrage in Parliament over diplomat Devyani Khobragade's arrest

    NEW DELHI: Cutting across party lines, Rajya Sabha MPs on Wednesday expressed their anger over the issue of arrest and strip-search of Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade by the New York police.

    Raking up the subject of ill treatment of Devyani Khobragade in the Rajya Sabha, leader of opposition Arun Jaitley said that if we continue to conduct our foreign policy in a manner that we're taken for granted, then these incidents will be repeated.

    "We should conduct our business as equals," BJP leader Arun Jaitley said. The arrest of Devyani Khobragade is a clear violation of the Geneva Convention, Arun Jaitley added.

    Participating in the discussion, BSP leader and former UP CM Mayawati said that the UPA government should take up the incident very seriously.

    CPM leader Sitaram Yechury said that the US is the worst policeman. "There have been many Cabinet members in NDA and UPA governments who have been subjected to such acts," Yechury said.

    Earlier, amid rising tensions over the arrest and "barbaric" treatment of an Indian diplomat in New York, the US stuck to its guns saying it acted "appropriately" and demanded restoration of security for its missions in India.

    Even as it spoke of a "broad and deep friendship" and an "important relationship" with India, US officials on Tuesday expressed no regret, leave aside an "unconditional apology" demanded by India over the arrest and alleged strip search of Devyani Khobragade.

    Reacting to a slew of retaliatory measures taken by India in response to the treatment of Khobragade, India's deputy consul general in New York, the State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said "an isolated episode" should not "impact the bilateral relationship."

    According to Indian officials, Khobragade, 39, was strip-searched, cavity-searched and swabbed for DNA after her arrest in New York on charges of visa fraud last Thursday, then confined with hardened drug criminals before being released on a $250,000 bail. India's national security adviser Shiv Shankar Menon has called the treatment "despicable and barbaric."

    "We understand that this is a sensitive issue for many in India," Harf said. "Accordingly, we are looking into the intake procedures surrounding this arrest to ensure that all appropriate procedures were followed and every opportunity for courtesy was extended."

    So far there is nothing to indicate that "anything but appropriate measures were followed" Harf said. "But again, we don't want this to negatively impact our bilateral relationship, and we'll keep talking about it with them on the ground and here," she said.

    "The US and India enjoy a broad and deep friendship, and this isolated episode is not in any way indicative of the close and respectful ties that we share and will continue to share," Harf said.

    US officials, she said "have conveyed at high levels to the Government of India our expectations that India will continue to fulfill all of its obligations under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, and Vienna Convention on Consular Relations."

    "Obviously, the safety and security of our diplomats and consular officers in the field is a top priority."

    The US, she said, will "continue to work with India to ensure that all of our diplomats and consular officers are being afforded full rights and protections."

    "Also, of course, safety and security of our facilities as well is something we take very seriously, and we'll keep working with the Indians on that."

    Adding a new dimension to the case, Harf also claimed that the State Department had advised the Indian embassy "in writing in September of allegations of abuse made by an Indian national against the deputy consul general of India in New York."

    "Obviously, we play a role in this, but the Department of Justice also obviously handles the legal aspect of it as well," she said.

    However, Harf said she was "not aware" if the Indian embassy had informed the State Department about a pending court case in India against Khobragade's former India-based domestic assistant, Sangeeta Richard, who has been absconding since June this year.

    The US secretary of state John Kerry, who is currently in the the Philippines was "aware of what's going on" and the State Department has had "conversations" with the White House about the issue.

    Asked if Khobragade was strip-searched, Harf said the State Department was looking into what transpired. While the US State diplomatic security had followed "standard procedures" she could not speak for the US marshals, who took the diplomat into custody.

    But in response to specific news media queries about whether a strip search had been conducted on the Indian diplomat, the US Marshals Service confirmed that "standard arrestee intake procedures" were followed.

    "Yes, Devyani Khobragade was subject to the same search procedures as other USMS arrestees held within the general prisoner population in the Southern District of New York." It said she had been placed in an "available and appropriate cell," it said in a statement.

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  3. Zeus_@21

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    Have u seen the trunk of a healthy old banyan tree?? She is that one trunk. :rofl:
     
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  4. layman

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    Seems like this issue has been with State Department even earlier. And state department has not only acted wrongly but also in a insulting manner.
     
  5. chachachoudhary

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    Violation of diplomatic immunity in either cases would sound "alarm bells" to the WORLD .


    Norm is to ask the respective govt. "withdraw" the person. The concerned state can deal with the crime as per the law.

    Even persons (staff of consulates) suspected to be spies are not arrested, but asked to leave the country.
     
  6. Bang Galore

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    Devyani Khobragade case: Why we must humiliate the Americans

    The despicable treatment of Devyani Khobragade, Indian Deputy Consul general in New York, should be another wake up call for India and talk-circuit liberals. If you do not have the means to project power effectively, the world will walk all over you. It is good that India is in a mood to retaliate, but it is important for us to persist with it long after this is over. Moreover, we should equip ourselves with more laws to target foreign countries that use their domestic laws to blackmail or humiliate us. We should not take such affronts lying down anymore.

    In a limited sense, the transgressions of US minimum wages law by Khobragade will draw the usual Indian liberal nonsense: if we are in contravention of their law, we are the guilty party. Worse, some of us will also express sneaking admiration for the US's ability to enforce its own law, as opposed to our own inability - or systemic unwillingness - to enforce ours. Not only is this a naïve view, but bull.

    Hear what Khobragade had to say about her arrest, and judge for yourself if this is the right way to deal with a brech of minimum wages law. The Indian Express, quoting from her email to colleagues, has this Indian Foreign Service (IFS) officer saying this about her horrifying experience. “I must admit that I broke down many times as the indignities of repeated handcuffing, stripping and cavity searches, swabbing, hold up with common criminals and drug addicts were all being imposed upon me despite my incessant assertions of immunity.”

    Our general assumption that the US law enforcers are merely doing their duty is rubbish. If alleged violation of US visa laws by Infosys can be settled with a fine, why couldn't the US have done so for Khobragade? Or is a woman diplomat fair game for US law enforcers? Indians are the most gullible goops in the world when it comes to discerning the difference between an honest effort to implement the law and using laws to project power and blackmail other countries. The American government is the most sophisticated legally illegal enterprise in the world when it comes to dealing with people from other countries. And Americans are one of the most sophisticated bigots in the world. There are two reasons why we are so bad at recognising this: one is because we are very poor readers of real intent as we have not studied the west on our terms. The second reason is even worse: we are the most compromised individuals when it comes to America. Every bureaucrat and politician and media hack sends his or her children to America or Europe to study, or is given high paying jobs in US multinationals. Thus, many of them would have received favours from the American establishment. So when it comes to standing up to America to defend our own interests, our worthies are unable to take a strong view on what is right for our country. There is also a third reason: we are simply too self-absorbed and willing to forget and move on in the pursuit of narrow, short-term personal interest. The Americans will go to the ends of the earth to pursue Osama bin Laden or even their own Islamic terrorists for 10 years. We will forget Hafiz Saeed five years after 26/11. The Americans will not let us forget 2002 – not because they care about the Muslims they themselves ostracise in their own country, but because it is a useful stick to hold over someone who could be our next PM.

    There is also another counter-intuitive reason why we are unable to see American bad faith: America does not use its laws to harass its own citizens, while we do the exact opposite. Thus we are willing to stretch the argument and believe that America must be using its laws fairly against the rest of the world. What absolute rot. The truth is American agencies have sophisticated ways of using their laws against foreigners to defend their interests. Their laws may oppose torture, so they will use Guantanamo Bay to for torture and waterboarding against prisoners. President Obama vowed to shut it down, but Guantanamo is still around. Even if it is shut, they will ask allies in brutal Africa or Thailand to do their dirty work. Americans are forbidden by their own laws to indulge is assassinations abroad, but Obama has converted the CIA into a killing machine. Two years ago, they killed one of their own nationals – Anwar al-Awlaki, for example - because of his alleged terror links (not proven in a court of law).

    The Americans regularly use drones against civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan and South Yemen on the plea that one among them may be a terrorist. To have plausible deniability, they even use private surveillance and security agencies as surrogate CIA agents. (Read Mark Mazzetti's eyeopening book, The Way of the Knife, to get a glimpse into this). Their freedom of religion laws will be used against the one country which actually allows everyone to practice and propagate his religion (India), but top allies like Saudi Arabia will get a free pass on this law. America will swear by free markets to lobby for Wal-mart, but will not recognise freedom for labour movement. Is free enterprise only about the movement of capital and not other factors of production?

    The Americans practice sophisticated racism. Thus they will use a Preet Bharara to target Khobragade (or Rajat Gupta or Raj Rajaratnam) so that it looks like Indian-Americans are implementing the law, and hence not racist, but the same laws will not be used to humiliate the Hispanics or Afro-Americans or the Saudis or American icons like the late Steve Jobs or to convict Richard Nixon or Bill Clinton. (Read the comments on a Washington Post story on Preet Bharara, where the commenter accuses Bharara of not following up on the alleged misdemeanours of some pillars of the American judicial establishment.) Americans, despite paying very little of the UN bill, will not allow US soldiers to serve under generals of another nation, and Americans accused of war crimes cannot be tried anywhere else but in holier-than-thou US of A.

    I can go on and on, but we must focus on the one issue I still left unaddressed: what do the Americans gain by targeting Khobragade? Or, for that matter, by denying Narendra Modi a visa, especially since Americans have always extolled business friendly politicians everywhere? Modi ought to have been their natural ally?

    In the Khobragade case, my guess is that the US government and arrogant Preet Bharara miscalculated on how India will respond. They thought there will be the usual diplomatic muttering under the breath and then business as usual. Moreover, the US can always count on compromised bureaucrats and corrupt politicians to abandon their own diplomat. But two things conspired to stiffen Indian spines. One, the IFS officers' body is not going to see one of their own humiliated thus. And two, Narendra Modi is another reason. The UPA has hanged Afzal Guru and Ajmal Kasab to undercut Modi’s hard appeal, and Modi is due in Mumbai on 22 December. Khobragade is Mumbai's child and her father was a city bureaucrat before retirement. One can imagine how Modi would have damned the UPA for cowardice when he addresses Mumbai crowds.

    Which brings me to the last motive: why deny Modi a visa if you know he could well be the next PM? The US would never do this to a Saudi King, a Pakistani General or a Vladimir Putin or a Mossad agent, or a Chinese official, no matter what kind of atrocities they may have committed in their own countries. The answer is simple: the earlier visa denial was driven by the need to pander to the domestic evangelical organisations which were baying for Modi’s blood. Evangelicals believe that Modi may act against their conversions agenda. The second reason is future leverage. The Americans want to use the visa as a bargaining chip in case Modi is the next PM, even though they hope he won’t become the PM. They fear that he will play hardball – exactly what the US does always. The US fears its own kind more than weak-kneed Indians politicians.

    It is critical that India should not close the chapter on the Khobragade affair for a few conciliatory noises. We have to bare our fangs and show some muscle. The chances are the US will do a deal and extract concessions from the UPA government to let Khobragade off the hook. And the Indian side will bow to this blackmail and claim their hard stance has paid off and declare victory. I hope this story does not play out. There are times when we have to show we are Indians, and this is one of those times. The only right response to the Khobragade insult is to treat Americans the same way they treat our kind: catch hold of a technical violator of Indian law, do some handcuffing and "cavity searches" on some of the men arrested, and then bargain about Khobragade. At the very least, we should target Preet Bharara for humiliating an Indian diplomat and make sure he never enters this country agai

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    Devyani Khobragade case rocks Parliament, government to issue statement tomorrow

    New Delhi: The arrest and humiliation of high-ranking Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade in the US, which has triggered a massive diplomatic row, was today condemned in Parliament by parties across the political spectrum.

    Amid calls by some parties for a more aggressive reaction by India, Commerce Minister Anand Sharma said the government will make a statement on the case tomorrow. Yesterday, an outraged government took a series of measures to downgrade the special privileges given to American diplomats in India.

    In Rajya Sabha, the BJP's Arun Jaitley called MS Khobragade's treatment a clear violation of the Vienna Convention by the US government. "The government should apologise. The House wants to know what steps are being taken," he said.

    "We live in a global village but we don't need a village headman. America must stop pretending to be head of world," said Trinamool Congress member Derek'O'Brien.

    "The incident cannot be accepted by any self-respecting sovereign nation," Sitaram Yechury of the CPM said. He accused the government of not protesting enough when reports of the US snooping over Indian leaders emerged recently.

    Bahujan Samaj Party chief Mayawati was heckled by many members in Rajya Sabha for suggesting that the government had not reacted sooner in Ms Khobragade's case because of her caste. "Dalits across the country are especially angry," she said.

    The US has accused Ms Khobragade of lying on the visa application for an Indian national who worked at her home, paying her less than minimum wages and forcing her to work for more than 40 hours a week.

    The US has launched damage control after India's retaliation against the humiliating arrest and strip search of Ms Khobragade in New York.

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    so dalits are not angry for the dalit who was actually doing a dalits job for less wages ?
     
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    India should decrease the diplomatic relation with USA, arrest all gays in US consulate and pass a law that anybody who enter India will be strip searched for security reason without any exception.. from president to peon, from mrs. president to sluts.. all should be given same treatment.

    if USA can't play as equal.. force it to play or kick it out.
     
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    let me please ask a queestion to you.. what is more important to you.. the honor of nation or pitying for a women who breached the contract to fulfill her greed.

    and if all this is alien to you.. do a simple math.. take her salary paid, add food charges, rent charges, 2 way air ticket from India to USA for few times, add all the other benefits she gets at being in indian consulate from eating much better food then what she had got in minimum wages, and using much better facilities... in short add all perks to her salary. you will be shocked to know that she is paid better then minimum wages... she is just a traitor of nation who acted in self interest and will now try to get green card in USA and then will send for her family.

    this is a cheap trick applied by her to gain US citizenship.. she is traitor in all terms and you want to support her.. best wishes from my side.
     
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    I have already said that if she cant afford a maid then why hire one....and your talking about the cheap trick played by the maid... now here is a cheap trick played by the diplomat... for cheap salary she hired a maid from india in the US.... good that adarsh scam karma fuuked her... and i dont care if its a white face harassing her... she deserves it... i very well know these type of greedy people...
     
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    Even if she deserves may be not from this episode, what were you guys doing before without prosecuting her. Nothing.

    But in the case of this is pure hogwash taking advantage of the inept GoI. Try and do the same for US national then you can see the Furore... As if the Sky would fall down....
     
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    she is just not an another diplomat, she is Dy. Counsel, and at that day she was arrested, she was acting counsel. Do you realizing what that means,

    now I dont care, just arrest the US diplomat, and give the US a severe tit for tat.
     
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    This arrest has been made by USA to help congress and BJP.......to shift public & media attention from the weak Lokpal which was passed today...... mark my words....after some day US would issue a verbal apology and it will be the end of the matter.
     
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