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Indian Navy LPD/LHD Program

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by seiko, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. seiko

    seiko VETERAN FULL MEMBER

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    NEW DELHI — The Indian Navy may as early as this month begin the commercial bidding process for its $2.6 billion program to build four 20,000-ton landing platform docks (LPD), following the final selection of two domestic vendors.
    Only Reliance Defence and Engineering Limited (RDEL) — formerly known as Pipavav Defence and Offshore Engineering — and private sector business Larsen & Toubro (L&T) cleared the financial and technical tests from September. A third vendor, ABG Shipyard, which has a technical relationship with Alion of the United States, could not clear the tests because it failed to restructure its debts, a senior Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) official said.
    L&T has a tie-up with Navantia of Spain, and RDEL with DCNS of France. No ABG Shipyard executive would comment on the outcome of the Indian Navy's routine technical and financial tests.
    The Navy floated the tender in 2013 for production of four LPDs, and bids were sent to domestic shipyards, L&T, RDEL, and ABG Shipyard.
    Under the program, two LPDs will be built by a private shipyard, and then state-owned Hindustan Shipyard Limited will build the remaining two LPDs at the same cost.
    "Indian Navy requires LPDs not only protecting its island territories and the exclusive economic zone but also to thwart growing Chinese influence in the Indian Ocean littoral region," an Indian Navy official said. "The aggressive posturing of the Chinese Navy in the South China Sea and Indian Ocean Region has made is necessary to beef up [the Indian Navy's] strength in the Indian Ocean region."
    The Indian Navy currently operates one LPD, the former US-owned, Austin-class LPD Trenton, which was acquired by India in 1997 and renamed INS Jalashwa.
    Commenting on the capability of the domestic shipyards that will build the LPDs, the Indian Navy official said: "RDEL has no past experience in building large warships, including LPDs. However, as far as L&T Limited [is] concerned, they['ve] been building the commercial ships of equivalent tonnage, thus there is sufficient in-house capability to build ships of equivalent displacements."
    Though the two domestic shipyards don't have experience building LPDs, the overseas shipyards, which have technical relationships with domestic shipyards, will help with technology transfers for the LPDs, according to the MoD official.
    The Navy requires that the ships be no more than 215 meters long and have a draft no more than 8 meters in full load conditions. The ships will be powered by electric propulsion systems, have an endurance of 45 days with a maximum sustained speed of no less than 20 knots, and have the capability to carry six main battle tanks, 20 infantry combat vehicles and 40 heavy trucks.
    The LPDs will also be equipped with a point defense missile system, a close-in weapon system, an anti-torpedo decoy system, a chaff system, and heavy and light machine guns. Special operation helicopters and large helicopters, weighing up to 35 tons, will operate from the ship.
    Each ship is also expected to accommodate 1,430 personnel, including 60 officers, 470 sailors and 900 troops.
    The 20,000-ton LPD would be the largest warship to be built in an Indian yard after the aircraft carrier under construction at state-owned Cochin Shipyard.

    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/10/indian-naval-lpd-program-making-headway.html
     
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    seiko VETERAN FULL MEMBER

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    One of this is coming soon!!
     
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    seiko VETERAN FULL MEMBER

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    @PARIKRAMA I am sure most of the people are rooting for Mistral but I think the award should be given to L & T . One of the main factor is this

    Commenting on the capability of the domestic shipyards that will build the LPDs, the Indian Navy official said: "RDEL has no past experience in building large warships, including LPDs. However, as far as L&T Limited [is] concerned, they['ve] been building the commercial ships of equivalent tonnage, thus there is sufficient in-house capability to build ships of equivalent displacements."

    Also I dont like giving all the contracts to Reliance..
     
  4. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Hope we also go quick on helicopters which can be used aboard them.

    On the options , for Juan Carlos , I am interested in knowing will it increase costs if we remove the ski jump ? Or cut down costs?
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Alright PPL.... Please place your bets here!.... will Reliance go for 3 for 3 i.e Won the tender for FAC for Indian Coast Guard , JV with Dassault and now... maybe LPD? or will it be L&T .

    My money is L&T, reliance has its share full now !
     
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    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    It should cut down costs to a small extent to my knowledge. Was one of the reasons why Turkey initially preferred to have the ski-jump removed, but later reverted the decision in favor of a light Aircraft Carrier concept. More than cost, it is the inclusion of an additional landing/takeoff spot that will influence the decision of the Navy.

    Personally, I'd vote for the Juan Carlos with the ski-jump installed. Only because these ships will serve for a few decades and our requirements are ever evolving. Why not take a step forward, keep the option open just incase someday we decide to operate VTOL aircraft again. The savings from deciding against a ski-jump is not significant in terms of cost, however 1 landing/takeoff spot for a medium weight helicopter will be off the specs.

    Another important point of consideration is the size of the ship. Juan Carlos is significantly bigger and has more space than a Mistral. So it also comes down to what size IN believe is optimum for their needs.

    Mistral Displacement:
    • 16,500 tonnes (empty)
    • 21,300 tonnes (full load)
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    Juan Carlos Displacement:
    • Displacement: 24,660 tons (Light Aircraft Carrier) and 27,079 tons (as a LPD/LHD)

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    Good Day all!
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Juan Carlos with the ski-jump installed ? - Still, the only aircraft with VTOL capability at present will be the F35 - Don't see any other programs in the foreseeable future !

    Still it would be interesting to see what helos will be inducted for this!
     
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    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    1. We don't know if over the course of time, F-35 will sport IN insignia or not. These ships are there for the long term, and we can't predict long term that accurately. 10-15 years back, who'd have thought Apaches and ChinooKs would fly in Indian colours.

    2. A little birdie who went through the RFI, sees the requirement for a 35 ton helicopter landing/take-off capability. V-22/CH-53E anyone?
    Surprisingly the F-35B weighs just under 35 Tons. Coincidence I guess?

    Good Day!
     
  9. Techy

    Techy Zonked Developer Developers -IT and R&D

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    I vouch for Juan Carlos as it has ski jump. If needed, we can order few 'AV-8B Harrier plus' from USA at low cost and 3-4 numbers per LHD can be operated for anti-shipping role along with other helicopters (due to bigger size than Mistrals it would not give any capability hit). These jets may come handy while patrolling during conflict as well as during peace time, as jets would be faster than any helicopter and would cover larger area. Later Harriers can be replaced with F35 or other similar aircraft available in future.

    PS: I prefer VTOL jets personally so envisioning it's operations from IN ships ( personal fantasy in better term).... You are free to disagree but no personal attacks please :p
     
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    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    I remember the extensive presentation of V22 Ospreys and their special config of getting AEW and also racks to sport munitions plus torpedoes... Boeing Tata combo will do the work and get the job done in across the all platforms especially as the same was shown to operate across all ACC +LPD/LHDs.. Dont know what happened next but they gave some big 70+ figure for all IN needs as part of their feasibility study and scope.. So they were pretty keen to place the same under Make In India.

    if LM gets LWF contract then perhaps we might see F35s as well in these as part of the package..

    I would rather want these carriers to have a large number of S70B manufactured here under MII..... a true amphibious capability.. if needed have say just a single or less squadron of F35 to give a good edge but thats gonna be a costly proposition of course..
     
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    V22 systems are very very costly to operate. Not a suitable platform for a military like ours. Look at the flight per hour numbers.

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    So no Dokdo class?

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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    1. Many here are assuming that Mistral is small. For them, it comes in variants which range from 14,000 tons to 29,000 tons at full displacement.

    2. Operating VSTOL fighter jets is not a priority here, we have fighter jet plans covered in our aircraft carrier plans.
     
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    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Unless what's going on deck is clearnLPD LHD are non starter.. I think first let's get clarity on air wing of IAC1 then may be think ahead

    @Hellfire - can you say what's gng on deck..
     
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    LPDs are on the cards. V-22s? Or only Helicopters? It is yet to be decided as the proposal to raise dedicated marine force is slowly being dusted off. Right now, more pressing problems are 'distracting' the attention!
     
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