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Indian Navy LPD/LHD Program

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by seiko, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. R!CK

    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    Just to add to the well written reply by @PARIKRAMA . It's not right to compare Chinook with V-22. Chinook is a heavy lifting helicopter while V-22 is more of a hybrid fixed wing aircraft with VTOL capability. Teething issues were a plenty when this design was first introduced mainly due to the fact that it's a hybrid and required more mechanical parts.

    But do they last forever? Answer is in the US armed forces - Future vertical program.

    They are expected to replace all conventional design rotor crafts with futuristic design which lso involve tilt rotor design.

    http://aviationweek.com/defense/industry-fvl-needs-move-faster-survive

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    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    S80 or Sea stallion is a 5 crew helo.. it can transport troops by carrying them internally as well as externally... But if i remember correctly they are confined to limited roles, one of them being a Combat search and rescue ops and another being limited due to high maintenance downtime as compared to individual flight hour of on station time.

    i suppose it s nt fitting the requirement bcz the way it is , it will be more costly operating than even our own MKI

    by CSAR i meant to say transporting wounded folks in and out of hostile zones in large numbers.. something they did a lot in Iraq and afghanistan
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    The IN requirement for a LPD truly puzzles me. Almost every nation that operates these type of vessels have a dedicated branch that would make use of them (Marines), the Indian military employs a very ad-hoc practice wherein regular army units undertake an amphibious role on a rotational basis but there is little attention given to these amphib units by the IA and as a result this capability is almost non-existent. Furthermore, being army officers the senior brass have little by way of expereince at sea so cannot really develop India's amphib capabilities beyond a point. All other Marine infantry forces in the world are made up of naval officers who understand naval warfare and are technically sound in the nuances of operating at sea, why would an army officer?

    I know there is talk of the IN raising their own marine infantry (SPB) but this has yet to go anywhere worthwhile as of yet.

    Further furthermore, these sorts of vessels are HIGHLY dependant on their airwing to be of any utility whatsoever and yet this is an area where the IN is showing next to no interest, their rotary wing is all but junk and they are unable to meet their present aviation requirements let alone those of vessels able to and reliant on carrying many many such a/c.

    Without a heavy number of new helos these vessels are going to be next to useless.
     
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    Exactly. There is an earmarked RAMFOR division in Indian Army - Reorganised Army Marine Force, which undertakes these missions plus one independent infantry brigade under ANC.

    The proposal of raising dedicated Marine Forces was pushed in 2007-09 but shot down due to cash and resource crunch being created by the earlier regime. It's revival is awaited keenly. The construction of LPDs (04) is towards that end. At present, assets of inserting a division worth of troops are present, they want to increase the capability for two front contingencies especially in light of IN's mandate being extended into West Pacific.
     
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    Indian Jatt Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    How can the cost be just $2.6 billion??? the year is 2017, no hikes in ideal world, but this world is practical
     
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    Tejpal Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Juan Carlos exceeds the length limit.
     
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    Custom design, like they did for Turkish navy.
     
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    The Turkish design is longer than the Spanish design...
     
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    Not turkish design. But custom build according to our needs.
     
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    Hmm, it's possible but cutting 30m will be a decent bit away from its original limits.
     
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    In my humble opinion the IN is foolish to be giving importance to these boats right now.

    1) It doesn't have the requisite support assets (troops or aviation) for such vast ships
    2) At this point in time having a niche (and highly limited) amphibious capability should be considered low-priority considering the threat profile the IN faces today. There are other more deserving projects/assets this money should be poured into (frigates, ASW assets, helos, subs etc etc). Is an amphibious landing really going to be possible for the IN against its imagined adversories?

    Post 2025 it may be more appropriate to look at these vessels, as it stands I can't see what value these ships will add in 4-5 years time when they start to enter service, they will be largely under utilised (how often do you see/hear about the Jalashwa?) with very very limited capabilities (thanks to a lack of vertical lift assets and specialist marine infantry). The IN should go back to the drawing board and come up with a comprehensive plan for their future amphibious assualt plans and the first step should be to create a well equipped and trained amphibious marine infantry force. Right now it seems as though they are putting the cart before the horse.


    To me it seems like the IN top brass are just chasing the "big boys" and have got "vessel envy". These ships are a vanity purchase.


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