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Indian Navy’s submarines to be made locally; Rs 60,000-cr P75 I will be last order from abroad

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    Indian Navy’s submarines to be made locally; Rs 60,000-cr P75 I will be last order from abroad | idrw.org

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    Indian Navy’s submarines to be made locally; Rs 60,000-cr P75 I will be last order from abroad

    Published April 24, 2015 | By adminSOURCE: ECONOMIC TIMESThe shipbuilding industry is set for mega business with the government deciding that an ongoing Rs 60,000 crore plan to procure diesel electric submarines will be the last order to go to foreign firms and that all future projects will be designed and made in India.Leading international players, which have for long eyed India as one of the largest importer of submarines in the world, are currently in contention for the P75 I project to manufacture six new stealthy submarines in India.A top Navy officer told ET that the government has cleared the project on the condition that all future acquisitions of conventional submarines will be based on an indigenous design and produced at Indian shipyards. The Navy has accordingly initiated a futuristic design plan even though the next batch of conventional submarines under Project 76 would take several more years before a firm order is placed..“It has been decided that after P75 I, all future submarines will be of our own design and will be made in India. The government has been very clear on this and we have already begun the work, even though the requirement is of the future,” Navy’s Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition Vice Admiral AV Subhedar confirmed to ET.A similar project for six new nuclear powered submarines will obviously be of Indian design as foreign collaborators cannot share such technology openly. Private firm L&T is already working the Navy on this projectSources said that the decision was conveyed at the very top with the government keen that the Project 76 be completely indigenous with the participation of both public and private shipyards. Indian firms like Pipavav, L&T and ABG shipyards are set to be the biggest gainers from this decision as public sector shipyards do not have the capacity to match up the demand. Navy officials said that the next requirement under Project 76 would come up towards the end of this decade.A recent study by EY shows that the requirement for warships and submarines in India far outstrips the capacity of public sector shipyards. It has estimated that orders worth Rs 8,47,000 crore will be placed by India in the next 15 years. Private yards, the EY study says, will be in contention for an annual business of RS 25000 crore for the next 15 years due to a lack of capacity from the public sector to deliver. EnY also suggests that in case the government can implement the Make in India plan for the defence forces, a saving of at least 20 percent or Rs 3 lakh crore in terms of capital expenditure can be achieved over the next 12 years in terms of military purchases.At present, the Indian Navy has 13 conventional and one nuclear attack submarine as part of its underwater fleet. The conventional fleet relies primarily on the Russian Kilo class with nine of these submarines – most older than 20 years – in service. In addition, four German origin HDW subs are available with the Navy that are currently being upgraded to fire the Harpoon anti-ship missiles.At present, 6 new French origin Scorpene submarines are under construction in Mumbai with the first one set to enter service next year. In addition, India is getting ready to deploy its Arihant class nuclear missile boat towards the end of this year. The Navy is also likely to lease a new nuclear attack submarine from Russia shortly.
     
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    Does IA-Import army or IAF-Import arforce has guts to make such statement???

    Eg: Rafale will be last fighter to be imported or T-90 to be last tank to be imported
     
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    SOMEHOW I CAN CAN UNDERSTAND AIRFORCE TO BUY FROM OUTSIDE BEACUSE OF RAPID NEED . BUT INDIAN ARMY ? NO REASONS AT ALL TO BUY T90
     
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    IAF and IA top brass needs to be whipped on their backsides as they did nothing to create and encourage an infrastructure for making weapons in India. IN also has officers who are Indians but they have a very strong love and bond with everything which is Indian. If IN can do it, why can't IAF & IA learm from IN who sit in the very same building in Delhi.
    The day IAF acquires a fighter and IA acquires a Tank, they know the date by which it will need to be replaced. Why can't they start working from that very day to create a new fighter or a tank?
     
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    Mate I disagree almost all public shipyard yard are today headed by Retd vice admiral, admirals or ex navy personal .Indian navy has ensured they have the grip on design , development and production of their war ships , with private shipyards coming in the suituation will get better by many fold

    What IAF and IA ex generals, LT generals, airchief, airmarshals have done ?? Eiether they have become import arms lobby agents or politicians or ambassadors of state or governors etc

    Did they seriously think of shakeing up system ?? Did they ever try to take over HAL or DRDO or OFB, put their men with actual experience of armed force and help indian defence PSU??? Answer is big no.Yes india has lathargic system but how come navy used same system to their favour??? Simple navy knows indian weapon will keep them fighting fit for long time but import flashy weapon will make them a power to reckon with for short period later a puppet in the hands of arms lobby

    Look at isreal all their defence firm are headed and employed by thier armed force guy hence from being a mojor importer of weapons in 60's and 70's now it rivals US, Russia and EU on arms export

    But what have we become??, first to introduce and rocket bomb, then first country outside US/ NATO allies, USSR to design & produce a supersonic fighter jet in 60's , now a largest arms importer in world .We should be ashamed

    More over a dream to become a super power lol with such a sorry state of affair
     
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    Post retirement fund kaha se ayega?
     
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    If you actually consider the weapons, the day a weapon is inducted, there should be 3 teams made
    Team 1. Repairs and overhaul
    Team 2. Upgrades
    Team 3. Replacement of the weapon (research and development)

    the time that is needed for developing a new weapon will ensure that the weapon is developed just in time to replace the old weapon when is deemed outdated due to technology
     
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    the only way out is serious govt intervention of mod and govt of india and tell the IA and IAF to buy stictly from ofb and psus . we have many good exa ples on drdo like dhanush arjun mk2 dhruv and akash sys n etc.. just conc on improving them and increasing their number in large.
     
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    When param vir chakra awardee's abdul hamid saab , Shaithan singhji, Nirmal jit shelkonji and many more died bravely for this country they might have never thought post retirement fund in their wildest dream even they belonged to same army and airforce , wonder even their families got proper settlement which they rightly deserved

    Then who are you guys to think of post retirement funds ???

    No point in blameing DRDO , Defence PSU etc what have you guys done for local industry base question
     
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    Vinod let us not buy what ever defence PSU sells especially when it is not upto mark. My question is

    - Why not Army puts his best mind and ability to head OFB, BEL , BEML and CVRDE, because an army men knows requirement 1000 folds better than civilian guy, 100% sure army with it's hands on experience can succeed many local projects at low cost and time

    - Why IAF has not forced indian govt to take over responsibility of governing HAL , ADA, ADE, GTRE etc ibstead their is Saas bahu fight all along , if taking over is mere impossible what have you done to break monopoly of HAL and ADA?? Best solution import , why not encouraged private players???
    Now IAF is scouting for a second production like for LCA with only commitment of 80+ mk2 is that feasible?? No private player will come forward let us not forget Avro replacement compitation where we had only TATA's and Airbus in frame

    IIT kanpur designed Arush UAV for urban surviliance but it is funded by lockheed martin where are indian armed force, govt and companies?? .Thier is a private company called aurora integration which designs and produced UAV's but still we want Isreali toys even for low end operation, is this HAL, MOD and DRDO mistake??

    Mistake is our lathargic approach , political/ monetary bais towards arms lobby and easy import purchase attitude . But after few years cry we lost tech edge against our adversory etc . Truth is you never had or never have the tech edge with borrowed weapons
     
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    The top brass is not independent of the politics, rather now they depend on promotion, sab milke khatey hai
    Why else you think Browne "managed" Pilatus and Rafale deals?
     
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    Hantara class SSBN
    Matsya class SSN
    Bhuta class SSK
     
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