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Indian Nuclear Attack Submarines (SSN) - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by ManuSankar, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Arihant is also operational
     
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    Akula in a Chakra-vyuh?
    Posted on October 8, 2017by Bharat Karnad
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    (Nerpa)

    The Press reported Sept 4 about damage done to its sonar dome as the ex-Russian ‘Nerpa’ — Akula SSN — INS Chakra — was making its way back to or embarking on a patrol from — it isn’t clear which — its home base in Vishakhapatnam. ( http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/accident-on-board-ins-chakra/article19793626.ece). The Vizag channel is narrow and always challenging to negotiate, so this story is plausible.

    However, another story is doing the rounds. It has to do with the discomfiture of Moscow with the growing closeness and intimacy between the Indian Navy and the US Navy and its fear that Americans may thus get access to the nuclear powered Akula submarine. The Akula is a showpiece of Russian engineering and still the leading SSN in the Russian fleet and the possibility of its being compromised in any way is not something Moscow will accept with equanimity.

    It is to prevent such possibility that the 2011 $1 billion for 10 years lease-contract for the Akula-Chakra has a provision for a Russian naval officer to be physically on board the vessel at all times — whether under sail or in port in Vizag — cannot be certain, but especially when it is in port. Distrust has grown to the extent that there’s talk of a list being given to the Manmohan Singh government in its last days by Moscow with the names of Indian naval officers, who the Russian government of Vladimir Putin believes are in thick with the US and may compromise/endanger the Akula by allowing Americans direct access to the submarine technologies or, more likely, by passing on classified data and information about the performance and the workings of the Akula to the US Navy.

    The Russians are riled that the Manmohan Singh regime did nothing with the list, and that the Modi government, likewise, has not acted on it to ensure the IN officers mentioned therein are not permitted to be anywhere near the Akula. This may explain Moscow’s hesitation and dragging out the negotiations for the lease for the second Akula — Iribis. Last year a weekly magazine carried the news about the Akula-Chakra needing to get back to Russia for refueling. This doesn’t make sense because it is not up for the refueling cycle until 2021-2022. Refueling is an onerous process that involves cutting through the titanium alloy hull to reach the reactor, and re-welding it after the fuel loading.

    What is significant is to wonder whether it is refueling or repairing the bow part of the hull containing the “damaged” sonar dome that Chakra, the submarine has to go back to Russia. It may be a pretext for the Russians to get the boat back — the increasing level of mistrust the Russian Navy feels for the Indian Navy being the reason. Russia will keep this Akula in the dock long past the refueling and/or repair time. If the SSN leaves Indian shores it may not return for a long time, if at all. And there’ll be no SSN in Indian service.

    This is a pretty drastic step being contemplated by Russia, and will suddenly and hugely degrade the Indian navy’s sea denial capability, of course, but also crimp our strategic deterrence in many ways, considering the Akulas can hunt down Chinese SSBNs in the Indian Ocean. However, considering how countries value and safeguard their advanced military technology and hardware, Russia’s actions — assuming these will take the course as stated above, are not to be wondered at.
    https://bharatkarnad.com/2017/10/08/akula-in-a-chakravyuh/

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    India should consider US to get Virginia class subs on board

    If they are not interested . then India should not take US as statergic consideration in our geopolitical equation

    Deals should be made for statergic equation if US seriously want it

    If Putin want play hard ball he's will get it
     
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    If this is true, the Russians are truly freaking idiots. They have no problems becoming China's b*tch. They have no problem selling their cutting edge hardware to China which buys a couple units for cheap prices before reverse engineering an identical product. They continue trying to play their Cold War proxy game throughout the globe against the US, even though they don't have the "aukaat" to do so anymore, when in reality they should be cooperating with the West against China and Islamic Terror.

    But India grows a bit closer to the US to achieve certain geopolitical aims (which to a significant degree are in Russia's benefit too) and suddenly all hell breaks loose for the morons.
     
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    So no more consulting support for indian nuclear submarine program from Russia?
     
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    Lots of misinformation being spread right now as well to (try) create more divides.

    Russians know the West tracks and monitors and gets instrumentally more relevant data on Russian SSN performance than India could potentially add meaningfully.

    Let us see how it actually plays out in lease of 2nd akula.
     
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    https://bharatkarnad.com/2017/10/08/akula-in-a-chakravyuh/

    [​IMG]

    (Nerpa)

    The Press reported Sept 4 about damage done to its sonar dome as the ex-Russian ‘Nerpa’ — Akula SSN — INS Chakra — was making its way back to or embarking on a patrol from — it isn’t clear which — its home base in Vishakhapatnam. ( http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/accident-on-board-ins-chakra/article19793626.ece). The Vizag channel is narrow and always challenging to negotiate, so this story is plausible.

    However, another story is doing the rounds. It has to do with the discomfiture of Moscow with the growing closeness and intimacy between the Indian Navy and the US Navy and its fear that Americans may thus get access to the nuclear powered Akula submarine. The Akula is a showpiece of Russian engineering and still the leading SSN in the Russian fleet and the possibility of its being compromised in any way is not something Moscow will accept with equanimity.

    It is to prevent such possibility that the 2011 $1 billion for 10 years lease-contract for the Akula-Chakra has a provision for a Russian naval officer to be physically on board the vessel at all times — whether under sail or in port in Vizag — cannot be certain, but especially when it is in port. Distrust has grown to the extent that there’s talk of a list being given to the Manmohan Singh government in its last days by Moscow with the names of Indian naval officers, who the Russian government of Vladimir Putin believes are in thick with the US and may compromise/endanger the Akula by allowing Americans direct access to the submarine technologies or, more likely, by passing on classified data and information about the performance and the workings of the Akula to the US Navy.

    The Russians are riled that the Manmohan Singh regime did nothing with the list, and that the Modi government, likewise, has not acted on it to ensure the IN officers mentioned therein are not permitted to be anywhere near the Akula. This may explain Moscow’s hesitation and dragging out the negotiations for the lease for the second Akula — Iribis which is some 42% constructed or, more likely, the Kashalot which is sea-ready. In July this year a weekly magazine carried the news about the Akula-Chakra needing to get back to Russia for refueling. ( http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ina-multilateral-naval-exercise/1/995386.html ) This doesn’t make sense because it is not up for the refueling cycle until 2021-2022. Refueling is an onerous process that involves cutting through the titanium alloy hull to reach the reactor, and re-welding it after the fuel loading.

    What is significant is to wonder whether it is refueling or repairing the bow part of the hull containing the “damaged” sonar dome that Chakra, the submarine has to go back to Russia. It may be a pretext for the Russians to get the boat back — the increasing level of mistrust the Russian Navy feels for the Indian Navy being the reason. Russia will keep this Akula in the dock long past the refueling and/or repair time. If the SSN leaves Indian shores it may not return for a long time, if at all. And there’ll be no SSN in Indian service.

    This is a pretty drastic step being contemplated by Russia, and will suddenly and hugely degrade the Indian navy’s sea denial capability, of course, but also crimp our strategic deterrence in many ways, considering the Akulas can hunt down Chinese SSBNs in the Indian Ocean. However, considering how countries value and safeguard their advanced military technology and hardware, Russia’s actions — assuming these will take the course as stated above, are not to be wondered at.

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    A bigger nuclear submarine is coming


    After INS Aridhaman, focus will be on more potent version.

    India’s second strategic nuclear submarine Aridhaman is just a few weeks from sea launch. But raising ambitions for the Navy’s capability, there are plans to build a bigger and more potent version of the indigenous nuclear submarine in the immediate future, say sources.

    That leap for India’s ballistic nuclear submarine capabilities would come with the fourth submarine planned in the same class, named S4-Star. It would have a stronger weapons configuration integrated into an extra compartment that would be added to Arihant’s original design.

    On the Aridhaman, sources said the “final checks are under way. All the three modules have been integrated. It is likely to be launched in late November,” an official source told The Hindu. Another source said a November launch may be difficult, but “in December, it will definitely be in the sea.”

    Fuel loading in the nuclear reactor for Aridhaman was completed in January, but it would go critical only much later after initial sea trials. Once launched, the submarine will be put to extensive harbour and sea trials, before being formally commissioned in the next couple of years.

    The indigenously built second nuclear submarine will add to India’s growing nuclear capabilities, in the face of the new strategic realities of the region, including the assertive Chinese naval presence in the Indian Ocean.

    Last October, India commissioned its first Ballistic Nuclear Submarine, INS Arihant. The vessel, weighing 6,000 tonnes, is powered by an 83 MW pressurised light water nuclear reactor.

    Aridhaman, of the Arihant class, will carry several new pieces of equipment including new-generation sensors and periscope, compared to the first ship.

    Construction of the third submarine of the same class is under way in four different parts, and could be completed approximately in a year. This would also be of the same size as Arihant and Aridhaman, but possess more advanced weapons and sensors. The third submarine is planned for launch in late 2018.

    As soon as Aridhaman is launched, the final integration of the third submarine will begin in Visakhapatnam, it is learnt.

    Indigenous capability

    The project to build a strategic nuclear submarine to carry nuclear missiles began as the Advanced Technology Vessel project in the 1980s, and the vessel project was launched in 2009 by Dr. Manmohan Singh.

    Arihant, which can carry nuclear tipped ballistic missiles, is of the ship submersible ballistic nuclear class.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a-bigger-nuclear-submarine-is-coming/article19862549.ece

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    Yes, yes. We know :wink:
     
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    12 silos with 12 K-5 missiles with MIRV S-4+ (size almost Ohio class) .......... Coming sooner than expected.......:dance3::dance3::dance3:
     
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    Isn't there a 'rumor' that it's already been launched for sea trails last year early in the second quarter? Why do I feel this article is misinformation ? @PARIKRAMA @Hellfire
     
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    Because we mentioned it was loitering around...?

    I am sure you may have realised that some people do, in fact read us here.
     
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    yes
     
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