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Indian Nuclear Attack Submarines (SSN) - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by ManuSankar, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    That is why my quip .... people read us and then print in the news media. This was what we had spoken about sometime back .. of the sub loitering around.
     
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    INDIA'S PLANNED THIRD RUSSIAN NUCLEAR ATTACK SUBMARINE TO OPERATE BY 2023
    MONDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2017 BY INDIANDEFENSE NEWS

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    Project 971 Akula II Class SSN Attack Submarine
    India has decided to go ahead with its plan to lease a third nuclear attack submarine from Russia. Sources said a Project 971 SSN hull classification general-purpose attack submarine has been picked out from among many options and that the boat would undergo massive repairs and modernization at a Russian shipyard before being handed over to India.

    As per a TASS report, India is pushing for a plan to station a technical team at a Russian shipyard to witness the complex refitting and modernization process of nuclear attack submarines. The refit will be carried out at the Russian shipyard in Severodvinsk and the refitted boat will be named ‘INS Chakra-III.' The entire process will be completed over an estimated six-year time frame.

    Acquiring another nuclear attack submarine (SSN) from Russia in not only prudent but also exigent for India's national security. An SSN is required to influence events in distant areas of the country's maritime interest, where conventional surface and integral aviation cannot operate due to whatever reason.
    The Indian Ocean is becoming increasingly important to China's economic and security interests as a strategic waterway which helps keep its economy going. Therefore, China’s military presence there will keep growing. However, the struggle for the strategic maritime routes is only one of the reasons India is modernising and augmenting its attack submarine force.

    Indian Navy is also awaiting the delivery of a second Project 971 (Akula-Class) SNN which it had leased from Russia a year ago. The Indian Navy (IN) currently operates two SNNs; the oldest of which is the INS Chakra, formerly the Russian Navy's K-152 Nerpa, commissioned into the Indian Navy in April 2012. India's second SSN, INS Arihant, is the indigenously built nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine commissioned in August 2016.

    At present, negotiations are underway to accommodate India's desire to send a delegation of shipbuilders to the Severodvinsk yard to witness and assist in the refitting and modernization of the third SSN India intends to lease. The hands on experience would be of significant help to Indian shipbuilders who are being tasked with the responsibility of constructing at least six nuclear-powered submarines, locally at an estimated cost of over $12 billion.

    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/10/indias-planned-third-russian-nuclear.html
     
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    Russian team in Vizag to inspect damaged Nuclear Submarine INS Chakra
    Friday, October 27, 2017 By: The Hindu Source Link: CLICK HERE


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    A Russian technical team is in Vizag for a joint investigation into the mysterious damage suffered by INS Chakra, the nuclear submarine leased to India in 2011, a diplomatic source has confirmed.

    Details available from an official Indian inquiry show that the damage to the submarine is far bigger than what has been known in public. The sonar dome in the forward portion has suffered an almost five-feet by five-feet hole, according to reliable information from the Ministry of Defence sources. Two separate sources, from the Russian and Indian side, separately confirmed to The Hindu that the damage to the submarine was not very serious, and did not impact the nuclear reactor, because it was all contained to the outer hull.

    The Russian team arrived in India after they refused to be satisfied with the findings of a three-member Indian team’s official inquiry. Sources said the team had placed the damage primarily on technical issues. There has been speculation that the damage was caused by a minor accident while INS Chakra was on the move.

    Russia, which leased the submarine to India for a 10-year period in 2011 for over $600 million, sent a formal message a few days ago to New Delhi that it was not fully convinced with the Indian findings.

    Russia then suggested that technical experts from their side be allowed access to examine the submarine which had been docked for the past several weeks in the submarine base INS Virbahu in Visakhapatnam.

    Sources said the investigations by the joint team would be filed to both New Delhi and Moscow. For now, Russian sources indicate that the damage is not serious. “But we will have to wait for the final report before moving forward,” one Russian official said.

    India is already engaged in negotiations for the second nuclear submarine from Russia, which could join service when INS Chakra returns after its 10-year lease.


    Speculation on accident

    There have been much speculation surrounding the accident suffered by the submarine, with some reports saying it may have met with an accident while negotiating the narrow channel to enter the harbour. The submarine had suffered a major accident in 2008, while undergoing sea trials.

    The Akula class submarine is an SSN, and is to provide escort to INS Arihant, the indigenously constructed ballistic missile submarine that would carry nuclear missiles.
    http://www.defencenews.in/article/R...t-damaged-Nuclear-Submarine-INS-Chakra-444146
     
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    From PKSG:

    "As for the SSN, it will be ONLY a hunter/killer boat & will not carry any type of LACMs or ASCMs. Its PWR won’t be of the type on the Project 705 Lira SSN. Instead, a nedw-generation PWR using HEU will be used. No liquefied metals will be used as either moderator or coolant, thereby considerably reducing risks to safety. But the Ruskies had resolved all structural load-bearing challenges to on-board electro-mechanical hardware, hydraulics & pipings in the 1970s itself & this very same experience can now be applied at far lower costs for the new-design SSN."

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3545138702780178046&postID=168568650674082989
     
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    Kommersant: Submarine scandal surfaces between Russia and India

    An unprecedented scandal broke out between Russia and India with Moscow suspecting that Delhi granted US Navy representatives access to the Russian nuclear submarine of Project 971I, operated by the Indian Navy since 2011. According to Kommersant, the incident threatens to seriously complicate negotiations both on the lease of the second nuclear submarine, and on other projects in the field of military-technical cooperation between the two countries.

    Several sources in Russian state structures have confirmed that with the newspaper saying that the Indian partners have recently committed several "unfriendly acts towards Russia." First, according to them, the US Navy delegation visited the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya (property of the Indian Navy) and Russian officials were forced to issue a note of protest. After some time, a high-ranking military source told Kommersant, the American delegation was already on board the Chakra.

    Kommersant’s source working in the military technical cooperation system, called the fact that the US Navy appeared on a Russian submarine (located on the base near Vishakhapatnam, pending repairs) outrageous. "There were well-trained technical specialists, though unlikely to get any information," the source said.


    According to the newspaper, this whole string of incidents can have a very adverse impact on defense cooperation between the two countries, which has been successfully developing over the past five years. According to several sources, specialized Russian structures are preparing retaliatory measures against their Indian partners. "Very difficult conversations are on the horizon, we have a lot of questions," a source said. Some who spoke to Kommersant believe that, in particular, the negotiations on leasing the second nuclear submarine, which the Indian Navy planned to obtain from Russia, will be seriously complicated.

    According to Kommersant, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who intends to come to India in December with one of the largest deals on Russian arms, will have to iron out the problems that have accumulated. In addition to the Chakra issue, he must negotiate the creation of a fifth-generation fighter under an agreement which was signed back in 2007, but neither the airplane's conception nor its financial parameters have been determined yet.

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    http://tass.com/pressreview/974730
     
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    Lol :p IN ko kya ho gya... Yeh to wo baat ho gyi ki ek gf ka gift dusri gf ko dedo :p
     
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    France pierced the States and Russia "Chakra"

    The information that Moscow suspected New Delhi of admitting US Navy representatives to the Russian nuclear submarine of Project 971I, which is operated by the Indian Navy since 2011, has been organized by the French side since 2011 under the name Chakra (Chakra). This is done in order to push Russia, the United States and India and, on this background, lobby for their projects. About this News.ru a source in the Russian military-industrial complex said.

    Recall, November 7 in the American edition of Strategy Page was published material in which, referring to sources, it was alleged that Russia was postponing the repair work on the leased India nuclear submarine because of suspicions that the Indian military, in violation of the lease agreement, allow representatives of the US Navy carefully study the Russian submarine. Also, according to sources of the publication, the Russian side had questions about the degree of damage to the submarine of the hydro-acoustic complex of the hydroacoustic complex (SAC), which, as noted by Indian media, the former K-152 Nerpa nuclear submarine of the third generation of Project 971I "Shchuka-B" (designation of NATO - Akula) was received in the basing area - near Vishakhapatnam.

    As Kommersant sources reported on November 9 in Russian state structures, first the US Navy delegation visited the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya (the former aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov), and after a while it was already on board the Chakra nuclear submarine. One of the interlocutors of the publication called outrageous the very fact of the US Navy's appearance on the Russian submarine: "Among them there were well-trained technical specialists, somehow, but they took out the information for themselves."

    "There is complete confidence that the throw-in is organized by the lobbyists of France, and it's pretty high-quality," source News.ru said. - The time of his appearance was chosen successfully. On the one hand, in the near future, Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin is expected to visit India, which should finalize the agreements that were reached during Vladimir Putin's visit in October 2016. On the other hand, in the near future, the contract between Russia and India for the lease of the second nuclear submarine should also be finalized. "

    According to him, we are talking about the nuclear submarine of the same project 971, which was "repaired for the Russian Navy." "In addition to the contract for the construction of non-nuclear boats such as Scorpene, the French have a great desire to enter the Indian nuclear fleet," the source said News.ru. - Currently, France is actively pushing the idea of its participation in the design of the second aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy of national construction. In general, the French side has repeatedly been seen in such provocations on the Indian arms market: it is believed that many negative publications concerning Russian aircraft in the Indian Air Force are the work of the French lobby. "

    Recall that the submarine K-152 "Nerpa", completed under the agreement of 2000 with the Indian side on the modified project 971I, was transferred to the Indian Navy for rent for 10 years. The official ceremony of launching the S 72 Chakra in the Indian fleet was held in Vishakhapatnam in 2012. This is not the first time that the domestic nuclear submarine was leased to the Indian side - during the Soviet Union, the Indians operated the K-43 submarine of project 670 Scat (S 71 Chakra).

    "There is a high level of competition in the arms market, and all means are good for obtaining a contract, including denigrating a competitor," said Andrey Frolov, editor-in-chief of the magazine Export of Arms, in an interview with News.ru. - History, when publications are initiated in which information is provided on the shortcomings revealed during tests or during the operation of samples of weapons and military equipment, periodically occur in the practice of military-technical cooperation. "

    The expert cites an example: in 2016, confidential documents on the construction of six nonautomatic French submarines of the Scorpene type for the Indian Navy were received. "It is believed that for the French it was a powerful blow to the image in the light of concluding a contract with Australia for the construction of 12 submarines and that this throw could be Germany," said Andrei Frolov. - At the same time, during the Australian tender there were leaks about the alleged shortcomings of the German submarines of Project 216 (Typ 216). Whoever was behind them is not exactly clear, but for the French and Germans they have become quite a serious gap in terms of PR activity, which had to be dealt with in an emergency. "
     
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    what the heck, all secrets are getting sold out by lobbyists ?

    scorpene , now akula ?

    what s left ?
     
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    India Wants Second Nuclear Submarine From Russia. Lies By Lobbyists Erupt


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    India's attempt to buy a nuclear attack submarine from Russia appears to have triggered a misinformation campaign by defence lobbyists.

    Yesterday, Russian news portal Kommersant reported that the Indian Navy had permitted a US technical crew into top secret compartments of India's existing Russian-built nuclear submarine, the INS Chakra, in clear violation of the terms of the contract between India and Russia. India leased this submarine in 2012 for approximately US$700 million and is in talks to acquire another.

    According to Kommersant, which referred to this as "an unprecedented scandal," the incident "threatens to seriously complicate the negotiations both on the lease of the second nuclear submarine, and on other projects in the field of military-technical cooperation."

    The Chakra, an Akula-2 class submarine, widely considered among the world's most sophisticated, has been leased by India for 10 years but all ownership rights reside with Russia.

    Today, another Russian news portal, NEWS.ru, has debunked the account of the Kommersant and states that French lobbyists have an ulterior role in spreading misinformation to further their own chances of selling a nuclear-powered attack submarine to India. NEWS.ru quotes a source stating "there is complete confidence that the throw-in is organised by the lobbyists of France, and it's pretty high quality." According to this source, "In addition to the contract for the construction of non-nuclear boats such the Scorpene [now being inducted by the Indian Navy,] the French have a great desire to enter the Indian nuclear fleet."

    France, the article states, is also aggressively trying to participate in India's programme to construct a second home-grown aircraft carrier. The first indigenous carrier, INS Vikrant is being built in Kochi using technology from a host of countries including Russia.

    Sources in the Indian Navy, which refuses to officially comment on the controversy, told NDTV that no US personnel were allowed onboard the INS Chakra which is based in Visakhapatnam. In fact, they stressed, Russian personnel are posted in Visakhapatnam and help to maintain and operate the INS Chakra.

    Defence Ministry sources have told NDTV that the timing of the media leaks is curious and comes a month ahead of the visit of the Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin where both sides are expected to work to finalise the terms of the lease for another Russian nuclear submarine of the same class.

    In October last year, Russia and India had reached an agreement for India to acquire the submarine for approximately US$ 2 billion. An existing Russian Navy Akula-2 submarine would be heavily modernised before it is transferred to India on lease. That would coincide with the INS Chakra's lease ending after which it would be returned to Russia. The Russian Embassy in New Delhi has refused comment on the fresh controversy.

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    Russia 'objected' to members of a US joint working group embarking the Russian-built aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya

    The Kommersant report also states that Russia had officially objected to the recent presence of US personnel onboard the INS Vikramaditya, India's Russia- built aircraft carrier. At the end of last month, 14 US delegates of the Indo-US Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Cooperation had indeed boarded the INS Vikramaditya for five hours where they witnessed the operations of the aircraft carrier including flight demonstrations by its MiG-29K fighter jets. Indian Navy officers have told NDTV that this visit was routine and did not involve the transfer of any classified information on the operations of the Vikramaditya.

    This isn't the first time that there have been reports of the involvement of international lobbyists in influencing key Indian defence deals. Last year, The Australiannewspaper revealed the leak of classified data on the Indian Navy's French-designed Scorpene class submarine, the first of which will be commissioned into the navy by the end of this year.

    At the time, the French newspaper Le Monde, quoting multiple sources had said that the leak of this data was driven by competition between the French designer of the Scorpene Class submarine and a German firm as they compete to win international orders.

    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/not...in-vizag-sources-1773761?amp=1&akamai-rum=off
     
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    Why Admiral Sunil Lanba’s visit to a French nuclear shipyard is significant
    India has closely followed the development of France’s new attack submarine for over a decade owing to its potential to transform the navy’s submarine arm.


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    On November 9, Indian Navy chief Admiral Sunil Lanba visited Cherbourg and was given a detailed presentation on France’s new nuclear-powered attack submarine (SSN), the Barracuda class. The first of these six French SSNs is to join the French navy next year.

    Admiral Lanba’s visit to the French nuclear submarine builders at Cherbourg will be closely watched for several reasons.

    The government-owned Naval Group (earlier called DCNS) is France’s largest warship manufacturer. It is also building six Scorpenes for the Indian navy at the Mazagon Docks Ltd Mumbai under a 2005 contract and is also in the reckoning for the Project 75I submarine building project.

    The navy chief’s visit comes at a time when India is on the cusp of an unprecedented expansion of its undersea fleet. It is looking to build three types of submarines, one conventional and two nuclear, in three separate projects. These projects, roughly worth more than $28 billion dollars, are spread over the next decade.

    A yet-to-be decided tie up of a foreign shipyard and Indian private sector company is to build six Project 75I conventional diesel-electric submarines for the navy at a $8 billion pricetag. The classified Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) project steered by the DRDO, navy and the BARC, is also designing six 6000-ton SSNs like the Barracuda class under a $18 billion project cleared in 2015. A new generation SSBN replacement for the Arihant class costing more than $1.5 billion, is also on the drawing board.

    [​IMG]A Scorpene-class submarine. Photo: Wikimedia Commons

    The Barracuda, naval analysts say, holds out hope for the navy to integrate all three diverse projects for the SSK, SSN and SSBN. The reactor, in particular, could be a game-changer because the navy is believed to be looking for a new one to power both its SSNs and new generation SSBNs.

    India’s interest in the Barracuda dates back to 2007 when a delegation of senior Indian Navy personnel were briefed on the capabilities of the boat, then on the drawing board. The Barracuda-class SSNs were meant to be a quantum jump in France’s nuclear submarine capabilities. They were designed for maximum operational availability — nearly 265 days of the year — and to undertake two distant patrols a year into the Indian Ocean, sailing around the Cape of Good Hope. It was the closest then that the Indian navy had come to western nuclear naval reactor technology, particularly the use of Low Enriched Uranium (LEU) in French naval propulsion reactors. Of the six nuclear submarine operating countries, only France and China use LEU in their naval propulsion reactors. India, like the US, UK and Russia, uses Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU), enriched to a very high in their nuclear submarine reactors.

    Naval reactors are at the very heart of a nuclear submarine’s phenomenal capabilities. The unlimited power from a nuclear reactor to run a submarine’s steam turbines which, in turn, runs the vesssel’s propellers, allows a submarine to carry out its operational tasks — that is attacking surface ships and land targets in the case of SSNs and SSGNs or lurking silently under the sea with a load of nuclear-tipped missiles like ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs).

    Miniaturising a nuclear powered reactor to fit within the confined space of a submarine is what makes nuclear submarine construction so challenging. And this is where France’s achievements in this field are commendable — its 2,400-ton Rubis class were the world’s smallest nuclear powered attack submarines when they were fielded in the early 1980s, compacting a reactor into a hull slightly larger than the Indian navy’s kilo class diesel-electric conventional submarines.

    India’s fleet of Arihant class SSBNs uses reactor technology of an earlier generation constrained by enrichment, fuelling and consequently, mission readiness of the platform.

    The Indian naval delegation were impressed by the Barracuda because they asked DCNS if France would be willing to help India with reactor technology. The French response was not surprising — the issue would have to be considered at the political level. Back in India, the naval delegation prepared a classified report on the need for the navy to consider French LEU naval propulsion reactors. The report also emphasised the need to establish commonality between its nuclear and conventional submarine lines. This would not only reduce build-times but also standardise spare parts and maintenance for a diverse fleet. It is not known whether the government acted on these proposals.

    If it acted on establishing commonality among the various submarines, it would be in line with curent thinking both in the US and Russia. Russia’s "Project Husky" nuclear powered nuclear submarines are believed to be only around 6,000 tonnes, half the displacement of its Akula and Severodvinsk class SSNs, and reportedly form the basis for a new class of SSN, SSGN and SSBNs. The US Navy’s Virginia class SSNs can be converted into SSGNs and are also the basis for the new Columbia class SSBNs.

    There is currently no explicit ban on the sale of naval propulsion reactors between the P5 nations and non-nuclear weapon states, but this has not been done so far.

    France is currently helping Brazil manufacture four Scorpene class conventional submarines under a 2009 contract. Interestingly, France’s Naval Group will also manufacture ‘non-nuclear portions’ (the reactor section), of Brazil’s first nuclear submarine.

    India, meanwhile, is faced with increasing undersea threats in the neighborhood: the routine deployments of Chinese submarines — both nuclear and conventional — in its backyard, the sale of eight Chinese Yuan-class submarines to Pakistan and the increasing frailty of India’s ageing submarine fleet.

    French assisstance in building both nuclear and conventional submarines would boost India’s strategic submarine programmes and, possibly, even become a talking point when PM Modi welcomes president Macron to New Delhi early next year.

    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/admi...ubmarine-scorpene-shipyard/story/1/20543.html

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