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Indian Nuclear Attack Submarines (SSN) - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by ManuSankar, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Re: INS Chakra At Indian Waters

    The issue is not about martial race or not.

    Our neighbours have a concept of total war. One is a Muslim fanatic country. Another is an ethnic fanatic country. A big war can bring a lot of dead soldiers.

    Participation of all groups in the population distributes the losses so that a particular group does not suffer disproportionate losses. Loss of a man in war brings hardships to the family. Remember this man has a wife, brothers, sisters, children and parents.

    Next problem is that most of India's population has no idea of military service. This is a serious problem, as a big war will need participation of much larger percentage of the population in the war effort.
     
  2. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Re: INS Chakra At Indian Waters

    The first thing that needs to be introduced is "voluntary draft". This means a service of 2-3 years in the military for 17-18 year old kids, who then get advantage in higher education due to their military service (like waiver of tuition).

    This will expose a lot of kids to the military service and greatly increase manpower pool available to the military.

    This draft should happen at lower level (not officer level).

    Some of these kids will voluntarily join and rest will leave. But they will learn skills needed by the society as well.
     
  3. Gessler

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    Indian Navy's Akula-class nuclear attack submarine, INS Chakra, is pictured at a naval facility in Vizag.
    November 18, 2014

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    All eyes on PM Narendra Modi after nuclear submarine plan with Russia flounders

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    NEW DELHI: Indian plans to lease a cutting edge nuclear attack submarine that would assist in technical knowhow for an indigenous project have run aground with Russia seen to be backing out on the deal. Senior officials in Delhi and Moscow have told ET that plans to lease a Yasen class attack submarine - two of which are in service with the Russian Navy - are being reconsidered after fairly advanced talks on the project.

    India was keen on acquitting on lease the latest Russian submarine under a plan that would result in a new boat being constructed from scratch, giving planners and designers in the Navy here a rare peek into the building process of one of the most complex military systems in the world.

    By being involved in the process from the beginning, India would have gained expertise for an indigenous project to produce six nuclear powered attack submarines (SSNs) for the Navy under a Rs 100000 crore project that was cleared by the Modi government in February. Talks were at an advanced stage with National Security Advisor Ajit Doval too said to be in the picture.

    However, ET has learnt that Russia is reconsidering and has now offered India one of its older Akula class submarines on lease, similar to the Chakra II that is currently in service with the Indian Navy on lease. "The plan now is to lease an attack submarine that is in service with the Russian Navy. This submarine would be deeply modernized to meet Indian requirements," an official familiar with the developments told ET.

    This submarine would be modernized at a shipyard in Severodvinsk, the Russian city where the INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier was refitted as well.

    While the Indian Navy has been taken aback with the development, efforts are still on to rescue the Yasen project, with planners said to be against the lease of yet another, older generation nuclear submarine from Russia. "We are hoping for a resolution and there is a possibility that this (the refusal) is a negotiating tactic. We have not closed hopes on the project yet," an Indian official told ET.

    The circumstances behind the blockage are unclear, though sources point that the funding required to build a new Yasen class submarine from scratch could be an issue as it mean a considerable contribution by the Indian side. Another issue could be Moscow's observations that Indian planners have been in talks with French and US submarine builders also for possible collaboration on the SSN project for the Navy.

    Clarity is expected on the matter during PM Narendra Modi's Moscow visit this week where the lease plan, as well as other military projects are to be discussed in detail. Besides the nuclear submarine, Russia is also keen on selling India two of its advanced Kilo class submarines that are under construction in St Petersburg.

    All eyes on PM Narendra Modi after nuclear submarine plan with Russia flounders - The Economic Times
     
  5. yahya

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    proud of it . lol neighbours envy india s pride
     
  6. randomradio

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    It would be great if we get the Yasen.
     
  7. seiko

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    Russia has quietly agreed to lease out a second nuclear attack submarine of the Akula class to India this month in a deal worth around $2 billion. The lease of the first Akula-class submarine that the Indian Navy calls INS Chakra expires in 2021.

    The lease deal for the second nuclear submarine was finalised at a summit-level meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

    The attack submarine will arrive in Indian waters in 2020-21. The decision to acquire a second Russian nuclear submarine on lease was taken after India’s first indigenously built nuclear submarine INS Arihant was quietly commissioned days before the September 18 Uri terrorist attack. The 6,000-tonne indigenous nuclear submarine that can fire nuclear ballistic missiles up to a range of 3,500- km was commissioned in secret even as Pakistan Defence Minister Khwaja Asif was invoking in public the possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons against India.

    The Akula-class submarine is nuclear powered but is armed with conventional land attack missiles. The Arihant, however, is part of India’s nuclear triad with Agni V missiles and aircraft-delivered nukes making up the other two legs. Given the sharp variation of temperatures with depth in Indian waters, the difficulty of detecting the Arihant makes it a potent weapon.

    It is understood that Arihant has already been operationally deployed. The second indigenous nuclear submarine of the same class, INS Aridhaman, will slip into the water in 2018. Powered by an 83 MW miniaturized reactor which went critical on August 10, 2013, the Arihant had to undergo extensive diving and missile firing trials.

    Pakistan does not have a nuclear submarine, and thus lacks a nuclear triad. China has four nuclear-powered submarines in operation, a number that will go up to six in a couple of years. China’s N-subs carry a version of the Dong Feng nuclear missile that has a range of up to 7,000 km.

    http://www.defencenews.in/article/R...clear-Attack-Submarine-to-India-for-$2bn-8815
     
  8. seiko

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    Kashalot or Iribis which Akula did India agree to lease from Russia ?

    They are 15 completed Akula-Class Nuclear attack submarines in the world , out of which only 10 are in active service , 9 in Russian Navy and 1 in Indian Navy . India and Russia have recently agreed to lease another of Akula-Class nuclear submarine for service with Indian Navy but little information was provided about which Submarine both India and Russia have agreed upon . India, in particular, wanted uncompleted Project 971I/09719 submarine dubbed Iribis which is an Akula I Improved Class submarine hull lying in Amur Shipyard Russia uncompleted. Construction of Iribis started in 1994 and work halted after 60% of the submarine was completed due to lack of funds . Akula I Improved Class submarines are slightly shorter in length and have lesser displacement when in direct comparison to Akula II ( INS Chakra ) but have improved Stealth technology and Acoustic signature which is lower than Akula I. Iribis might get same MGK-540 Skat-3 sonar systems like in Akula II ( INS Chakra ) . On Contrary Russia never agreed or offered uncompleted Iribis submarine to India , in fact, according to Russian media Interfax-AVN India was offered K-322 Kashalot an Akula I Class submarine which has been removed from active Russian Navy Duties and is currently in Amur Shipyard for upgrades and modernisation after which it could have enhanced service life for another 10-15 year . K-322 Kashalot is nearly 30-year-old submarine which was first commissioned in Russian Navy in 1988. K-322 is much older than Iribis or Nerpa/ INS Chakra currently leased to India and unlike Nerpa and Iribis which were uncompleted Submarine hulls, Kashalot will have a higher level of wear and tear , since it has seen active service with Russian Navy for nearly two decades and according to visiting Indian officials was not in best of the shape like Nerpa . Kashalot or Iribis has been leased for Indian Navy might be cleared in next few days , while at present Indian Navy operates the “Chakra” submarine leased to India at $980 million for 10 Years , With Media reports stating that new submarine has been taken on lease for $2Billion have kept some in hope that it might be Iribis and not Kashalot .

    http://idrw.org/kashalot-iribis-akula-india-agree-lease-russia/ .
     
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  9. Inactive

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    So are we extending the lease on INS Chakra beyond 2021?
     
  10. randomradio

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    We are buying a new sub and most likely returning the one we have.
     
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  11. R!CK

    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    A little birdie says that INS Chakra will serve IN beyond 2021 ( bought or extended lease not sure), the next Akula on a 10 year lease to enter service before 2020 and 3rd one in service before 2025 if the indigenous SSN can't enter service before 2030.

    Good Day!
     
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  12. R!CK

    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    A song by a bird goes by the tune of both Iribis and Kashalot sporting an IN insignia before heading to the scrapyard at some point of life.

    Good Day!
     
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  13. randomradio

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    More money will go for upgrades then. I actually hope sense will prevail and they will go in for a Yasen.
     
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  14. seiko

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    I dont think they will offer Yasen to us.
     
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  15. Inactive

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    That birdie said same thing in my ear too hence my poser at #3. We 'purchased' the sub without actually doing so!
     
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