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Indian Nuclear Attack Submarines (SSN) - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by ManuSankar, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. seiko

    seiko VETERAN FULL MEMBER

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    Seems like that birdie is very talkative!!
     
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    I must agree on that:biggthumpup:
     
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    R!CK 2nd Lieutant REGISTERED

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    Personal knowledge, no Yasen for lease. Doesn't mean no Yasen for IN, there is still a consultant required for indigenous SSN project. I'd expect IN to prefer french cuisine, but Russians are not helping you with reactor miniaturization on Triad requirement for you to give all the orders to the french chef. :basketball: So that kinda points us to a single door.

    Don't shoot the messenger bro.

    Good Day!
     
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    I had already said this earlier, they themselves don't have the latest ones right now, so they can't offer it to us. But I'm talking about the post 2020 period. So there's time for both sides to consider it.

    Anyway, they are planning on making a new sub that will be better, smaller and will be built quicker than the Yasen.
     
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    It will be either Samara or Kashalot of the Pacific fleet.
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    Samara in picture, moving to Zvezdochka shipyard for upgrades. (last year)
     
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    seiko VETERAN FULL MEMBER

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    I am not dear. Just an observation!
     
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    Apparently Zvezdochka (shipyard which do maintenance on the NF subs) denies any pending lease of an Akula to India. https://t.co/5ORhMQwxx5

    @PARIKRAMA @R!CK
     
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    Bro none of the deals signed in Goa is a final signature. Only an IGA on all said deals are signed, detailed agreement on Cost and Delivery schedule is yet not signed.

    As for S-400 the final deal is expected by April, 2017. While I can't confirm the same about Akula, it is a possibility that Goa summit was only signing of IGA for Akula and the actual deal with advance payment will be done at a later stage. Albeit, with a more secret nature to it.

    Good Day!
     
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    No, ka 226 is final with HAL. Check the list of agreements signed on Goa.

    S400 and Talwar are not final. But akula can be , remember just one week before goa a IN team was reported in Russia for SSN talks.
    The russian journalist who broke it has confirmed it again saying Zvezdochka shipyard is not the full story as "Kashalot" hull is in Amur shipyard for repairs.
     
  10. Ankit Kumar 001

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    New Delhi: A Chinese Navy nuclear-powered attack submarine which docked at the Karachi harbour in May took aboard Pakistani naval officers and sailors to give them a first-hand glimpse of the operations of a nuclear submarine. This was not a simple case of access being given to a close military ally. The Indian Navy is convinced that it is just a matter of time before Islamabad leases a Chinese nuclear submarine. The Pakistan Navy personnel who were on the submarine may be part of their first team to train on Chinese nuclear submarines, it is believed.

    On Friday, NDTV broadcast images of an advanced 'Shang' class nuclear submarine which was placed, through a satellite image, at Karachi last year. The images were first spotted by a satellite imagery expert (@rajfortyseven) who posts on Twitter.

    Displacing 7,000 tonnes when it operates underwater, and armed with six torpedo tubes, the Shang class submarine is part of the latest generation of nuclear attack submarines designed and commissioned by China. The submarine also has the ability to fire cruise missiles, including the Babur missile that Pakistan yesterday claimed to test-fire off its coast - a claim that has been disregarded by the Indian Navy.

    The acquisition of a 'Shang' class submarine will have an impact on the Naval balance in the Indian Ocean, which is currently skewed heavily in favour of the Indian Navy.


    India's navy is significantly larger and more capable than its regional rival. Unlike conventional diesel electric submarines that Pakistan has been operating for decades, a nuclear attack submarine has practically unlimited endurance. Its nuclear reactor is unlikely to require refueling during the life of the submarine, which means the 'Shang' class submarine can theoretically operate indefinitely underwater, even though realistically, its functioning will be limited by the amount of food and supplies the submarine can carry for its crew. The mechanical reliability of key systems also limits the amount of time the submarine can be operated.

    The Pakistani acquisition of a 'Shang' class submarine is meant to counter the Indian Navy's 'Akula-2' class nuclear attack submarines which New Delhi has been leasing from Russia. Considered among the most powerful submarines of its class, the Akula-2 - named INS Chakra - has been leased for a period of 10 years and will be returned to Russia within four years, by which time the Navy will have acquired a second submarine of the same class on a lease, the terms of which were recently worked out between the two countries.

    Now for the first time, details are emerging on how the Indian Navy has been able to track the movement of Chinese submarines which first started operating in the Indian Ocean in 2013, a clear signal of how Beijing intends to expand its strategic reach to include areas of the Indian Ocean which New Delhi has typically considered its own backyard.

    The Chinese 'Shang' class submarine, which docked in Karachi, entered the Indian Ocean through the Malacca straits off Singapore between April 19 and 20. Picked up almost immediately by the Indian Navy's US-made Boeing P8-I maritime surveillance aircraft, the submarine - accompanied by a large 10,000 ton fleet support and replenishment tanker - was constantly tracked through its journey to Karachi.

    While operating to the South of the Bay of Bengal, P8-Is of the Navy dropped sonobuoys across the projected route of the submarine. Sonobuoys, which are small listening devices that transmit the sound of submarines to reconnaissance aircraft operating overhead, are key in detecting submarines.

    Interspersed with the 'passive' sonobuoys deployed by the P8-Is, were 'active' sonobuoys which ping the ocean with soundwaves which reflect off the surface of metallic objects like submarines. Using a combination of both sensors, the Navy's P8-Is were able to force the Chinese submarine into making evasive maneuvers. The exact location of the submarine was also passed on to India's own submarines which were also monitoring the movement of the 'Shang' and its support ship as it entered the Arabian Sea.

    The 'Shang' entered the Karachi harbour on May 19, its exact location constantly plotted by the Indian Navy's assets, which have determined that the sound radiated by the Shang class is higher than new generation American or Russian submarines which are considerably quieter and therefore tougher to detect. The 'Shang' and its support ship spent seven days in Karachi, leaving on May 26. It was during this period that Pakistani Navy sailors and officers were allowed access to one of the Chinese Navy's most sensitive assets. It's still unclear if the 'Shang' returned to Karachi to take on board the Pakistani Naval personnel or whether they were transferred to another vessel as the submarine proceeded south along the Indian peninsula before setting course for the Malacca straits.

    On June 14, the 'Shang' submarine exited the Indian Ocean region.

    Senior Navy officers have pointed out that the deployment of Chinese Navy submarines in the Indian Ocean coincides with active efforts to establish a ring of ports to strategically encircle India.

    Just day before yesterday, the Maldives leased China an island for 50 years at just 3 million dollars. Earlier, China had also invested heavily in the Ihaven atoll, the Northernmost island in the Maldives chain, which lies just south of India's Minicoy island, the southernmost Indian island in the Arabian Sea. Located on a key East-West shipping route, Ihaven could give the Chinese the possibility of berthing Naval ships and submarines very close to the Indian mainland in the near future.

    As significantly, China has secured an 80% share of the Hambantota deep sea port in Sri Lanka as well as land for a new industrial zone in the area. According to plans, land in this area will be ceded to Beijing for the next 99 years in exchange for $1.1 billion towards debt relief. Pakistan and China, meanwhile, continue to work closely on developing the strategically located Gwadar port, central to the $46 billion China-Pacific Economic Corridor (CPEC) that is under development. China also continues to expand its Naval base in Djibouti situated in the Horn of Africa. In August last year, Pakistan State Radio announced a deal to acquire eight Chinese conventional diesel-electric powered submarines and Bangladesh has just received two submarines, its first ever, from China.

    http://m.ndtv.com/world-news/pakist...lear-attack-submarines-ndtv-exclusive-1647370
     
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    Saw this on NDTV right now.
     
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    I propose that India should go for as many Akulas as it can.

    The latest Type 093 version of PLAAN under fitting stage is said to be comparable to the best Viktor Class Version in noise , upgraded Akulas would be the best option considering desi SSN program is still some time away.
     
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    Possible but not lease.. rather for security cover for CPEC and also act as opening a front against India..

    Nice this should change geo political equations quickly..
     
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    Really? In this current environment where Russia is a B***h of China!

    I say it is right time to go for Baracudda route, if we want a foreign submarine. Best one is to develop one at home.
     
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    The only thing currently better than Akulas in service is 3 ["Experimental "] subs of USA and Astutes.

    And any other route will take time.

    Further , even today we have a Russian Vessel with a Russian Crew helping us out in SSBN trials.

    Its about Money. Only money is what concerns Russia.
     
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