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Indian physicist resolved Black Hole paradox much before Stephen Hawking

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  1. Anees

    Anees Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    A new paper released late last month in which famed British physicist Stephen Hawking contradicts his own theory and says that Black Holes - in the real sense - do not actually exist has startled the world science community.

    But Abhas Mitra, a theoretical physicist at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Mumbai, is not at all surprised. "I said more than a decade ago that the Black Hole solutions found in Einstein's General Theory of Relativity actually correspond to zero mass and are never formed. This implies that the so-called Black Holes candidates must be Grey Holes or quasi-Black Holes," Mitra told IANS. "Hawking is saying the same thing now."

    Mitra's papers, published in peer reviewed journals since 2000 - that still remain unchallenged - maintain that there can be objects in the universe that are quasi-static or "eternally collapsing" but not exactly Black Holes. "This work was largely ignored by mainstream physicists as well as the media while Hawking's recent two-page online paper saying exactly the same thing has become hot international news," Mitra noted.

    He said this happened even though several American astrophysicists verified his prediction that such quasi-Black Holes must have strong magnetic fields unlike the real Black Holes, adding that even Harvard University issued a press release to this effect in 2006.

    A Black Hole, according to its proponents, results from gravitational collapse of a massive star after it runs out of fuel for nuclear fusion. A Black Hole is all vacuum except for an infinitely dense central point called "singularity," Mitra said.

    As the theory goes, a Black Hole is surrounded by an imaginary boundary called "Event Horizon" that shuts everything within, allowing nothing - not even light - to escape. An object crossing the Event Horizon gets forever trapped and crushed at the singularity, destroying all the information about the object as well. This directly conflicts with the laws of quantum physics that say information can never be completely wiped out. This is the Black Hole "information loss paradox".

    The Black Holes also pose a "Firewall Paradox" which arises from the claim that Event Horizon, under the quantum theory, must actually be transformed into a highly energetic region, or firewall, that would burn any approaching object to a crisp. Although the firewall obeyed quantum rules, it flouted Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, Mitra said.

    Hawking's latest paper attempts to resolve the Firewall Paradox by proposing that gravitational collapse produces only an Apparent Horizon but not an Event Horizon that is the hallmark of a true Black Hole. He said the absence of Event Horizons means there are no Black Holes in the sense they are usually visualized.

    Mitra said he has shown before that there can be no Event Horizon by using the classical theory without invoking uncertain quantum physics as Hawking has done.

    In fact, in a series of peer reviewed papers, Mitra has shown that no true Black Holes can ever form. The so-called Black Holes observed by astronomers are actually radiation pressure supported Eternally Collapsing Objects (ECOs). These balls of fire are so hot that even neutrons and protons melt there and whose outward radiation pressure balances the inward pull of gravity to arrest a catastrophic collapse before any Black Hole or 'singularity' would actually form.

    "Incidentally, our Sun is also a ball of fire hot enough to melt atoms," Mitra noted.

    "Thus, the realization that there can be no true Black Holes and the so-called Black Holes are actually ECOs resolve both the Information and Firewall paradoxes," Mitra said.

    "Hawking has now arrived at the same conclusion from tentative arguments while our results are based on exact calculations and were published in a series of peer-reviewed papers over 13 years ago," Mitra added.

    Indian physicist resolved Black Hole paradox much before Stephen Hawking | NDTV.com
     
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    Mr Mitra needs to hire the western media to win:troll:
     
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    Someone from Third world writes a paper, NOT IMPORTANT,
    Someone from West writes the same and its a breakthrough.. interesting paradox in itself
     
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    jonas Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    So you yourself class India as a 'Third World' country do you, I wonder what would have been the reaction if I had said the same thing?
     
  5. Foxtrot

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    Yes......like they boast - nicolas copernicus first said that earth revolves around the sun....... fools.... we knew that much earlier.....at that time they were jumping from one branch to another.....
     
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    The advantage of India as a third world country that it has still scope to progress. There is potential for growth.
    But what about the 1st world countries like Britain. You are going nowhere. Where is the british car industry? Non existent. Most cars in Britain are German or Japanese or American, if you see a British car on British roads that might be considered a RARE CAR.

    Reaching the top is easy, staying there is the trick, and as far as I see the first world countries are now on the decline and they need the third world countries to be the market else their economies collapse. Point noted, point hit

    Lol and they called INDIA land of barbarians hahaha
     
  7. Foxtrot

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    lolzzzz.........how did they become first world........what extraordinary natural resources do they have.........they looted others to come to this poositions.....petty thugs.......they wudnt hv survived a day in WWII without loots coming in from other countries.....now that they dont have any such means, they already have started to feel the pinch....as all their loot reserve is slowly drying up....and also got no place to shed off their population any more.......more tough times to come....
     
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    Do you actually read what is posted before you jump in with both feet,nothing I said could be construed as criticising India,but off you go ranting and raving once again.

    You really aren't worth wasting time on.

    completely nonsensical reply,wast of space.
     
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    completely nonsensical reply,wast of space.... or what ever begins from here :dude:
     
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    I had replied to the topic that if a Western scientist had said (like Hawkings said)then the whole world takes notice, but if its something from a person of third world its ignored. And it does seem to be the case here. So I was with the topic, but where as you jumped on to the "third world" point without being on the topic. You are classic example how the so called first world behaves, trying to something irrelevant to the topic and being more aggressive if shown the boot.
     
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    CountryFirst2 Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Not barbarians, we were called uncivilized.
    There's more:
    Yoga was called mimicry by the British.
    Indian Kings were called Indian princes.
    The Indian King who was fighting the British by launching attacks from the Indian Naval fleet in Bengladesh was called a pirate(!).

    Really what else should we've expected??
    It is simply typical behaviour of an invader to justify their actions.
    The ones who is making the mistake is those Indians among us who pays ears to the British and their pirate queen.
    The scientist shouldn't care what the west thinks.
    Instead we should create our own offshot of IEEE, one which is free of western govt interferences.

    And the IMF stooge MMS went ahead and made us part of Commonwealth. I hope BJP being nationalist will take us out of that humiliation when they come to power.
     
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    Foxtrot Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    hehehehe.....lolzzz.......quite natural reply..... :sarcastic:
     
  13. randomradio

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    Calling us a third world country is not an insult. It has a political definition.

    In time third world country became a stereotype for economically backward countries, which is normally not used in actual economic/political parlance. The actual term for it in economics is developing country or underdeveloped country.

    So, it really depends on what you are trying to insinuate.

    In this case, we don't have the diplomatic clout of first and second world countries, so a third world country's scientists will be second rung outside the country. So, here you won't be emphasizing on our economic capability, so you using the term third world is not an insult.

    Cheers.
     
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