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Indian Railways Junction

Discussion in 'World Economy' started by anant_s, Nov 1, 2016.

  1. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    If Rs 1.08 lakh crores is going to be spent by Indian government, I think it can be put to much better use in rural areas of development where the sheer number of citizens who will benefit will be 100,000 times more than those diamond jewelers of Mumbai-Ahmedabad corridor.
     
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    10 years ago the mantra of UPA was CORRUPTION and screw India and Indians, now NDA's mantra is to screw the CORRUPT Chiddu bhaiya, Lalu, Mayawati, Pappu and the bar maid of National Herald, the Coal scamster PM MMS, ...... and deliver prosperity to India and Indians.
     
  3. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    NWR : AII : Doubling between Sojat - Chandrawal involving Four Stations in Ajmer Division Commissioned! It will improve mobility!

    ECoR : SBP : Hirakud - Godbhaga Doubling between Sambalpur-Titlagarh commissioned! It will improve freight loading!
     
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  4. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    11061 Mumbai LTT - Darbhanga Pawan Express upgraded to LHB.
     
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  5. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    You will be reciprocating the same when you will find truth in your heart :)
     
  6. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Spanish submitted HSR report

    The report has proposed the main terminal in Delhi near Akshardham Temple. The preliminary cost, without rolling stock, being worked out is estimated to be about Rs 52,680 crore for the Delhi-Varanasi stretch of 720km and around Rs 1.21 lakh crore for the entire Delhi-Kolkata corridor of 1474.5km.

    Read more at:
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    Thats ~$18 billion for 1474km and we are paying japanese $16 billion for ~500km?!
    @anant_s
     
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  7. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Taiwan too paid ~16 billion USD for Japanese HSR.

    Further the Japanese HSR of Mumbai - Ahmedabad, will be mostly elevated.This has played a part in increasing the cost by, ~1.6 billion USD more.

    The second thing is the technology. There are certain aspects where the Japanese are simply better. And those small things lead to the impeccable safety record of Japanese HSR.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    One more thing you forgot was very cheap credit, below LIBOR for such projects from Japan.
     
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    I think operating speed is around 50kmh less compared to Chinese and it might not be elevated. But Still numbers are way off bro.
    To construct Mumbai to Delhi it would cost $40 billion while spanish are quoting half of it !.
     
  10. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    I can only comment on the deal with Japan, that we are not paying more, than what we should be doing , when buying Shinkansen.

    For the Spanish proposal, details are yet to be known. So I cannot say why their quote is so low.

    Further in the Japanese case, as explained, around ~1.6 Billion USD extra is to be paid for choosing an almost entirely elevated corridor.

    If we did not choose it, then the average cost per kilometer will be ~32 million USD, which is not too much.

    Considering many projects in Europe with ~350km/h system has cost of ~35 million USD per kilometer.

    Further, unlike the European HSR, the Japanese HSR uses totally different Track , Signalling and Traction power. These things also do add to the cost.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    81%+ financing is coming from Japan.
     
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    End of the day both are HSR. Reasons doesn't matter when difference is so huge.

    Countries like Germany are running on billions of budget surplus yearly. They could easily provide long term loan like japanese. European tech are cost effective solution for us.
    Interoperability will be a huge concern going forward for us.

    That is not how you plan a HRS route. You need wealthy customers in the route who are willing to pay.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    I can only say that we do not know the details of what Spain has offered. That it costs so less.

    As for Germany , Erfurt–Leipzig/Halle high-speed railway which opened a couple of years back, costed ~3.5 Billion USD for 123 km. [Capable of 300 km/hr operations ] ,which is ~35 million USD[if I include the cost of development of stations too, and additional costs incurred due to interests ] per kilometer vs the ~3.3 Million USD per kilometer we will likely pay for Japanese HSR.
     
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    Should look at quadrupling of tracks not doubling of tracks

    Roll on roll off facility for goods trucks is wxcellwnt opportunity in those ghats sections
     
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    Jia ho iss desh kay Aapiyon kee. Kahaan thay maharaj? Dilli main MCD haarnay kay baad kahin heart attack toh nahin ho gaya meray Brahmin bhai ko? Tabiyet kaisi hai? Dimaag thikanay aaya kay nahin?
     

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