Indian Semiconductor and Electronics Industry

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    You do realize it will be very disjointed and difficult to follow a discussion on the very important topic of Indian semiconductors if you intersperse articles about electronics throughout the thread. It will be a jumbled mess.
     
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    Okay, just let policy page be here, cuz it has something related at least.
     
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    I just want to cover a few more issues regarding semiconductors in India.

    1. Is semiconductors important for India? I think the answer is absolutely "yes." However, I think the Indian government was too late to realize the importance of semiconductors.

    2. Does India need to produce its own semiconductors? Ideally, absolutely "yes." The problem is how to do it. Semiconductors are high technology and used in military aircraft and missiles. Producing your own indigenous semiconductors is important to national security. Also, semiconductors are present in smartphones. Semiconductors are a significant part of India's trade deficit.

    However, there is a WTO in place. TSMC is not moving from Taiwan, because staying in Taiwan (with the cluster advantage) maximizes shareholder value.

    How does India go from no mass-manufacturing of semiconductors to a profitable share of the worldwide semiconductor industry? If I knew the answer to that question, I would be in India as a paid consultant to the government.
     
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    TSMC doesn't have to move away from Taiwan, we have plans of creating our own fab plants.

    The fact is a huge chunk of global R&D happens in India.

    All these articles are from the previous decade.
    http://www.umsl.edu/~sauterv/offshore/randdinindia.html
    Most U.S. companies use R&D in India to create products that are largely exported to the world. A communications chip designed in India can wind up anywhere. In contrast, R&D in China is primarily designed to create products to sell locally. For instance, Intel's R&D centers in China are focused on speech recognition software and designing hardware that can recognize the characters in the Chinese language.

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    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-value-to-chip-design/articleshow/5002194.cms
    AMD started its hardware design team in Hyderabad in mid-2008 following an acquisition and it now accounts for almost 50-60 % of the physical design work for the firm including high-end graphic design.

    To boot, Intel's India centre has designed the global major's first six-core x86 microprocessor, the Xeon 7400 series. The team had planned and executed end-to-end design including frontend design, pre-silicon logic validation and back-end design.

    Concludes Biswadip Mitra, MD, TI India, which has had a research centre in Bangalore since 1985: "The TI analog front end semiconductor devices (AFE) is a chip family whose development was largely carried out by engineers in TI India. Today, there is hardly any TI chip that is not touched by engineers at TI India."


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    http://archive.eetasia.com/www.eetasia.com/ART_8800359698_1034362_NT_b5688ef6.HTM
    Nvidia Corp. is joining the rush by US and European companies to establish research and design operations in India. The company is setting up a team that will focus on its nForce wireless media and communications processors at a facility in Bangalore that will initially employ 35 engineers, rising to over 80 as quickly as possible.

    "So far almost all our R&D has been carried out in the US. Now we are looking at setting up in other areas, and the Bangalore facility, the first, will become a major centre for developing parts for wireless media processors for applications such as mobile phones", a spokesman at Nvidia told EE Times.

    The facility will also include a sales and marketing team, "since India is a region primed for enormous growth."

    Jen-Hsun Huang, president and CEO, Nvidia Corp., commented: "We know from experience that India is home to some of the world's brightest engineers, as many of our top employees today are originally from there. India is strategic to Nvidia and we are delighted to become a member of the Bangalore community." The Bangalore design centre will be modeled on the company's existing facilities, with a data centre allowing top-to-bottom design of advanced graphics and media processors for a wide range of platforms.

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    http://trak.in/tags/business/2015/12/12/india-beats-china-rd-global-patents-india/
    Lot more in this article.

    According to a new study by consulting firm Zinnov, out of $31 billion which was spent globally on Engineering related R&D, India alone accounted for $12.3 billion. This means that 40% of global budget on such high end R&D were spent in India in activities such as establishing R&D centers, hiring top scientists in this niche, and outsourcing engineering research projects into India. This is a steady increase of 8.3% compared to last year.

    In comparison, China accounted for $9.7 billion in R&D projects.

    As companies like Exxon Mobil, Lowe’s, Visa, Victoria’s Secret, JC Penny, CME Group, Wells Fargo, and British Telecom are opening up their research centre in India, Zinnov found that 69% of all offshore R&D centers which opened in 2015 were based in India.

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    http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/design/big-players-in-chip-design-buy-into-india

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    So if a lot of global R&D is happening in India, that would mean production will happen in India very soon as well.

    The fact is companies wanted to setup fab plants in India, but they could not because no state in India could provide enough water and power.

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    Regardless, companies are now warming up.
    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...hip-manufacturing-in-india/article8467511.ece
    In an exclusive interview with BusinessLine, AMD President and CEO Lisa Su said local chip manufacturing can be very important for India, “There are significant strategic reasons to invest in manufacturing. We want to support the ecosystem in its entirety. So from a design perspective, our philosophy is not to look at India for cost arbitrage. We would like to do end to end design in India. We’ve invested for many years and so at some point to do end to end product in India is very much a possibility. And for that you require the manufacturing infrastructure as well,” Su said.

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    And finally......
    http://www.livemint.com/Industry/ZR...illion-in-two-computer-chip-manufacturin.html
    Govt plans $10 billion investment in two semiconductor plants
    A senior govt official also said India will invest $400 million to develop a micro-processor
     
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    Most advanced High poweer node is the 14nm Finfet (for Kaby lake). Most of smart phones chips are manufactured on 28nm and 16nm from tsmc. Why are we investing in above 50nm fabs which are just good for some Industrial machinesand household appliances?
     
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    Cuz stairs are clumb up one by one. If you'll try to directly put your feet on top, your top will come to the bottom.
     
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    Right but I think silicon era would soon be succeeded by graphene based semiconductors (In 10 years). We lost the silicon era but In upcoming 15 years when Graphene chips would be the state of the art, India must be among the chief manufacturers.
     
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    Defence semiconductor Research by DRDO.
     
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    Foreign companies will setup fab plants for civilian applications.

    For example, Foxconn plans to create 1 million jobs in manufacturing. So such a requirement will also enable the setting up of fab plants by other companies.
     
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    And for defense applications like EO sensors (CCD ,CMOS IR FPA ) and GaN TR modules and processors?
     
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    But bhaii 14nm pe work karne k liye talented workforce kaise bnegi yha
     
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    Most of that's classified right now. So we know little.

    That's why we first need to start with fab plants for larger nodes.
     
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    See @Martian , we have a history of delays but ultimately concluding projects successfully and that too with better end products than what was planned initially. So if you give some time relaxation, I do not have any doubt that we shall achieve what we have planned for.
     
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    Setting up Semiconductor Fab is like any other business. It is market driven, which means tapping into the masses for their electronics needs. The most basic and important to daily life of every citizen are two critical electronic gadgets - a smart phone and a laptop, with a mix of hardware and software. Simply focusing just on India, and providing incentive to industrialists - 3 or 4 locally designed and branded OEMs for both the categories, in the form of duties on imported products and brands - finished goods and components/sub-assemblies, several viable semiconductor fabs to OEM sub-systems and EMS to build finished products for branded OEMs can be setup in India. In coming years, India's percentage share of imports for Electronics goods is going to be the highest, more than crude oil and defense and machinery. It may very well be over $100b. The offshoot of it will be in the form of high end electronics needed by Military, Aero-Space, Nuclear and other high end research driven electronics made in India.

    A focused approach can bring India on par with the world - similar to what we have achieved in space, missiles, atomic science and to some extent military research is inching towards it.

    Modi lacks scientists strategist who can have a vision to deliver NextGen technologies with immense significance to national security as well as with massive commercial applications and returns. Like DAE, DRDO, ISRO, India should have IEL (Indian Electronics Labs) to lead this strategic initiative for commercial as well as strategic use.
     
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