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Indian Small Arms Thread

Discussion in 'Tactical Hardware' started by Gessler, May 20, 2017.

  1. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Goebbels :D
     
  2. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    @Gessler

    They are, in all probability, local purchased under ACSFP for the exercises. Not yet the standard issue.
     
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  3. Vyom

    Vyom Captain GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    You know exactly what I mean, C'mon.

    One of these days I am expecting Army asking for Vibranium Steel alloy for Armored corps machinery in GSQR. They are so fabulous (by IA and IAF) at times they would put Lex Luthor to shame why didn't he come up with that... *sarcasm*
     
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  4. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Assam Rifles' FAB AKs during a Know Your Army exhibition...

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    ^^ Note the display card on the bottom right...so now we have confirmation that this is a Bulgarian AK that's been modified (at least that particular weapon).
     
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    NKVD Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    A interesting product from Baba kalyani - RONI
     
  6. Blackjay

    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    I think am going to follow this guy on YouTube for ofb updates.He is very active lately.

    AMOGH 5.56x30 CARBINE/PWD


    Video description-
    Published on 18 Aug 2017The Ordnance Factory Board designed-produced 'Amogh' carbine was bested by the DRDO's MSMC carbine some years ago. Both are now developing the MSMC as the Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC) for the Indian Army. But while the JVPC is still in trials, the 'Amogh' (resolute) is in limited series production having bagged orders from Indian police and paramilitary organisations. One error in the video-- the Amogh is a fully automatic CQB carbine and does not have the INSAS' 3-round burst mode. Hence, the three settings should be-- Safety, single shot and full auto. It is ambidextrous, which is a good thing. The Amogh is the compact version of the INSAS-1B, the Excalibur.


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    MSMC set to start another round of trials soon. lets hope it makes it. it is a fantastic weapon and possibly the best IDDM firearm and deserves better. the MICWS project was shut down in 2015. no hope for this. Hope the DRDO/ARDE can revive it at some point at least as an AK import substitute.


    the simple answer to that--- the OFB has been cut off from the rapid advances in firearm technology. they are a pure production agency that has diversified into weapon design a decade or so...which for a sarkari corporation, is hardly any time at all. the Amogh I think is their first independent design ever. (they relied on the DRDO for design). and so far relied on the East block firearms for inspiration-- the INSAS is heavily inspired from eastern design philosophy (read, AK family), only one Indian design, the (now dead) MICWS went down the western design route (AR-15/M-16 family)

    @Hellfire he share your scepticism about 5.56x30 rounds in ofb carbine.
     
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  7. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    A tender has 4 steps.

    1. RFI - Generated by the army. The MoD has no say.

    2. RFP - Generated by the army. The MoD has no say, but they can arm twist a general and get what they want, but that's a scam, and that's what happened to ACM Tyagi with the VIP helis.

    3. Technical evaluations - Done by the army. The MoD has no say.

    4. Financial evaluations - Done by the MoD. Army has no say.

    So the tender ended in step 3. Technical evaluations. The army determined none of the competitors are good enough, except for one. So the RFP reduced to a single vendor situation and had to be cancelled.

    Proof:
    The MoD is requesting the army to avoid single vendor situations.
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-tender-for-missiles/articleshow/19496382.cms

    The MoD has no say when it comes to technical evaluations, which is how it should be, which means the army is the one responsible for reducing the tender to a single vendor situation in the first place.

    It's a financial department headed by civilians. They had nothing to do with the cancellation of the tender.

    I was just speculating, that's why I used "I bet". Most of these guns are good enough for our environment, but the army wants a gun that works perfectly from day 1. That's pretty hard for most companies to achieve. Instead the army should work out solutions with the vendors by being more flexible. I'm pretty sure the second best rifle would have been as good as the shortlisted rifle had the army worked with the vendor.

    Choosing the vendors is the army's job. Step 3. MoD has no say on which vendor is shortlisted.

    The DGQA is headed by the army. It is under MoD in the Department of Defence Production but MoD has no jurisdiction there. The current head is Lt Gen Shamsher Singh.

    http://www.dgqadefence.gov.in/inner.php?id=1

    This man's department was the one which rejected the carbine vendors and only accepted the Israelis. Parrikar interfered but to no avail.

    Maybe you can try getting in touch with them, perhaps with NS52.
    Contact info's in the link.

    The current LMG tender was under UPA regime, St. Anthony. You have to cancel the tender if it's a single vendor situation.

    All new tenders from now on will be under Parrikar's regime. It will allow single vendor situations. This man had the balls necessary to do this job.
     
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  8. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Only OFB can answer that.
     
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    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    Can you elaborate this point.Or provide source.I can't remember what changes the new DPP under Parrikar made regarding single vendor clause.
    Thanks in advance....
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://www.iesaonline.org/downloads/defence_procurement_procedure-2016.pdf
    The Director General (Acquisition) will formally accept the report of the TEC, after due examination by the Technical Manager concerned. Issues, if any, raised by the Technical Manager on the TEC Report should be addressed in a collegiate manner with the Service Head Quarter. For delegated power cases, the TEC report will be approved and accepted by the respective CFAs at the SHQs. In case of a single vendor situation, post technical evaluation by TEC, procurement process will continue as planned without retracting the RFP for this reason, provided the vendor agrees not to revise the commercial bid, during the remaining part of the acquisition process. SHQ will however examine reasons for single vendor situation, record the same in their report, and submit the report to the AoN according authority. In case it is concluded that there is no scope for change in SQRs and other conditions of the RFP; and that retraction and reissue of RFP is not likely to increase the vendor base, then the case may be progressed with the approval of the DAC, provided the vendor agrees to hold the original commercial bid till completion of the procurement process. In such single vendor situation, efforts should be made to complete the acquisition process before expiry of original validity of commercial bid.

    @Hellfire
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    What's IA's excuse for not inducting these weapons whilst their soldiers are running around with 1920s-era small arms? That this weapon exists but soldiers are still issued the Bren/9mm carbine is frankly criminal. Guess they are waiting for laser guns.


    Let's see if the new DM has the guts to tell the IA to wake up and smell the coffee.


    @Gessler @Levina @nair @SpArK @Agent_47 @Ankit Kumar 001
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    @MilSpec is the guy who can answer.
    9mm vs 5.56x30 he explained to me in another post Some time in past.
     
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