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Indian Small Arms Thread

Discussion in 'Tactical Hardware' started by Gessler, May 20, 2017.

  1. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Yes, there are too many delays. Reasons ranging from bureaucratic hurdles, competition clauses and Army's changing requirements. If the current requirement for 7.62x51 assault rifle sticks, then the new Tavor 7 could be an interesting possibility:

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    And if we look at the posters above, they have confirmed that 7.62 Tavor has been okayed for production in India.

    Not sure. If they get bulk orders for optics along with the rifles (which they are likely to) there's no reason to believe they won't be locally made. As of attachments like grips & bipods, of course they will be produced here.
     
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    Zarvan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Yes even Tavor is now available in 7.62 X 51 caliber also the new AK ALPHA from Israel can be great option for you it is in 7.62 X 39 caliber
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    India has a bigger enemy than Pakistan, the Great Indian Bureaucracy.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    JVPC Police Trials: another video by Sandeep Unnithan



    • Few foreign manufacturers could meet Army's stringent requirements. In it's last Army trials in Dec 2014, only two out of five JVPCs could meet the requirements - of only 3 stoppages in 1,080 rounds fired
    • OFB is improving the weapon to complete Army trials, but the current version is deemed adequate for Police needs
    • Cost is approximately Rs. 35,000 per piece, about half as much as an imported carbine
    • Chattisgarh Police already ordered 640 examples
    • Similar orders expected from Police forces of Delhi, Meghalaya and UP
    • OFB believes the Police/CAPF orders will help stabilize quality in production and help eventually bag an Army order
    • Again JVPC is demonstrated against a 3.5mm thick steel plate. The 5.56x30mm Minsas can penetrate while the 9x19mm (shot by Sterling/SAF Carbine) fails to
    • 9x19mm cannot penetrate Level III Kevlar (24-layer) Soft Armor Panel (SAP), while again the 5.56x30 can
    • The silencer (aka suppressor) brings a 50% reduction in noise levels
    • The suppressor weighs around 250 grams

    @Abingdonboy @randomradio @PARIKRAMA @MilSpec @Hellfire @Agent_47 @GuardianRED @Bloom 17 @GSLV Mk III @Grevion @nair
     
  6. Bloom 17

    Bloom 17 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    looks like a heavier version of MP7 with a heavier round.

    lol and they are comparing it with SAF Carbine which is a relic of its own time.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Pretty much.

    It seems that's the only thing they have to compare it with. HK MP-5s are not produced in India and unlikely OFB has access to them in quantity. The SAF has a slightly lesser muzzle velocity and slower rate of fire compared to the MP5.

    But actually I'm more worried about many people in the video not having any proper shooting stance or trigger discipline.
     
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    Bloom 17 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    I hope that place isn't an OFB factory. It looks like a dumpster. I really wish they give arms designing licences to startups. These OFB's will be overrun in a week.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Welcome to Small Arms Factory Kanpur. One of the premier OFB facilities.

    Punj Llyod-IWI will hopefully get the ball rolling if they receive some orders in quantity from Indian forces. Any Tavors, Negevs or Galil snipers purchased for the forces will now be coming from this JV, made in India.
     
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    Apart from the Weapon System - which is nice and am glad it is getting some order

    BUT

    The OFB facilities is beyond pathetic
    1) The shooting range is someone backyard with a steel gate for support??? really? yuck
    2) This is the biggest example of chalta Hai attitude with it comes to a proper range with adequate safety - just pathetic
    3) The demonstration with the thick steel plate - can give you the penetration power of the round BUT at WHAT Range!!!??
    4) The Reporter should stop calling the sterling as a WW2 era weapon as the sterling is an advance variant of the Sten and was NEVER used during WW2
    5) Sorry but some of the Senior police in the vid - looks like they came for an outing and for tea and biscuits - Look at the stance they are taking - come up guys - look a bit professional Sad that they are the decision makers :(

    Thats enough of me ranting today! ... carry on ppl!
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    In India the armed forces don't operate without any oversight or accountability and cannot simply procure whatever items they like under whatever terms best suit the concerned service/senior officers.
     
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    Galil Ace 21-N

     
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    @Gessler are AK 103s license produced in India or procured from Russia?
     
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    Procured off the shelf. Kalashnikov Concern was planning to locally produce in India with a private company as partner (much like IWI-Punj Llyod) but AFAIK the plans haven't gotten anywhere so far.

    But many Indian Ordnance Factories are making AK clones. The OF Trichy's TAR is basically an Indian AK-103.

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    This guy gave a closer look of the jvpc
     

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