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Discussion in 'Tactical Hardware' started by Gessler, May 20, 2017.

  1. Bloom 17

    Bloom 17 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    This video was already discussed long back.
     
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    Nitpicking

    rear iron sights looks like interfering with the scope! don't you think? (ie the front of the scope is forced down)

    should be like this

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    Here we can see that the irons sights be put down


    Still im also guessing that is might be a dated pic, the butt stock is different
     
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    Yes, the OFB 7.62 rifle does not have flip-up iron sights at the moment. But rest assured it's not physically interfering with the scope in any way. The reason why it may appear to you as forced down is because the diameter of the ocular lens (eyepiece) is smaller than the diameter of the Objective lens (front-end).

    The stock we saw in the first video of the rifle by Sandeep Unnithan was an Israeli stock from FAB Defense. The stock you see above is from OFB. AFAIK, it is being tested/trialed with both types of stocks and which version ends up with it finally probably depends on Army's decision.
     
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    New Excalibur MK-1 of Manipur Police. It is nothing but an Excalibur Rifle with INSAS 1B1 handguard and foldable buttstock.

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    IWI NEGEV LMG in service with NSG
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    Uttarakhand Police Commando, X95 ( Mepro Mor Sight ) , BPJ & PASGT Helmet
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    CRPF HAS FLOATED A GLOBAL TENDER FOR RIFLES

    World's largest Central Armed Police Force is now on a hunt for 29,823 new assault rifles which would be of 7.62×39 and should have a foldable butt with provision for 40 mm UBGL and picatinny rails for Night Vision Devices.

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    IWI Galil ACE in 7.62x39mm

    (details awaited) I've been hearing about a CAPFs requirement for a new 7.62x39 rifle for a couple months by now...I've learnt that models like the Gilboa M43 might also compete. Let's see.

    @Abingdonboy @Hellfire @Agent_47 @randomradio @GuardianRED @Bloom 17
     
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    This is the same tender that Rosoboronexport pulled out of ? siting outdated Specs?
     
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    Ordnance Factory Tiruchi (OFT) Assault Rifle developed to match specs of the renowned AK-47

    The Trichy Assault Rifle (TAF) designed in-house at Ordnance Factory, Tiruchi (OFT), and developed to match specifications of AK-47 has passed the quality test for use by paramilitary forces, sources in the OFT said here on Friday.

    The approval of the weapon by the CRPF in New Delhi has brought immense relief to OFT employees. Acceptance of TAF by paramilitary and military forces has been a long-pending demand of the employee unions who were prepared to rectify the shortcomings pointed out by the Army.

    The first lot of TAF was handed over to the Chhattisgarh police earlier this year. Thereafter, OFT received orders for AK-47 from police departments from a few States that were fighting insurgency, and production and assembly lines were established for mass production.

    However, employee unions were keen on having a steady stream of supply of the weapon to CRPF and other elite forces, including CISF and BSF.

    Procurement Problems
    It was because the State governments that had procured the weapon for their police forces had problems with making payments, according to C. Srikumar, general secretary, All India Defence Employees Federation (AIDEF).

    Approval of the weapon by paramilitary forces will, in all probability, pave the way for its supply to the Army as well, Mr. Srikumar pointed out.

    Approval of TAF is a shot in the arm for the employee unions that had been expressing concern over the decline in manpower at the OFT. Manpower had declined to around 2,000 from about 3,500 10 years ago, V.Balachandran, national executive member of the AIDEF, said.

    The development comes in the backdrop of AIDEF and two other employee unions: INDWF and BPMS which together represent the cause of four lakh employees in 41 ordnance factories in the country, opposing import of AK-47 rifle, and assailing the Centre's move for introduction of public-private-partnership model.

    The OFT had to upgrade its product offerings a few years ago in the wake of the shift of Army and Central armed paramilitary forces towards 7.62 mm calibre rifles with automatic firing, so as to incapacitate and kill the enemy in counter-insurgency operations with higher probability. The TAF was manufactured in three variants — fixed butt, side foldable butt and under folding.

    It can be fired in single shot, automatic and burst fire mode.

    In automatic mode, it fires 600 rounds per minute, as per the technical specification.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...assault-rifle-after-tests/article19937479.ece
     
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    IWI GALIL ACE 7.62 X 51
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    IWI Galil Ace 7.62 X 39
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    IWI Galil Ace 5.56 X 45
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    AK ALPHA
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    IWI Tavor 5.56

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    IWI Tavor 7.62 X 51



    I am predicting these will be your future Assault Rifles and Israel makes some good assault Rifles mainly these ones and I think instead of wasting time your Government should encourage private companies run by tycoons to produce them. You have massive Armed Forces and Police to equip and producing these in India will reduce the cost massively. At best you may wanna look for at least one more 7.62 X 51 Assault Rifle.
     
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    The image is the old(er) version of Trichy AR (SLR converted to 7.62x39mm)

    The new one is based on the AK-103 platform which is far more 'at home' with the 7.62x39mm ammo.

    Trichy AR with traditional AK-style stock:
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    With collapsible AR15-style stock: IMO, this is the version already adopted by Police.
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    So far the Trichy AR has not been seen with a folding stock (side or under-fold). But the foldable stock is a prerequisite for the CRPF order so most likely it has been developed but not yet seen in public.

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    CADEX CDX- 50 TREMOR 50 calibre Precision Rifle built to Military Spec, the rifle is capable of delivering a huge payload accurately while maintaining very manageable recoil - Representation

    Pune:
    The Ministry of Defence has launched a global hunt to procure an advanced sniper rifle with thermal imaging night sights and a strike range of 1,200 metres.

    A request for information has been sent to international and Indian weapons manufacturers. The new rifle will replace the Indian Army's ailing Soviet-era Dragunov guns.

    "As per the Army's field requirements, the MoD has decided to procure about 5,500 advanced sniper rifles with night sights. The procurement will be carried out in phases and the desired quantity must be delivered by the supplier within six to 18 months from the day of signing the contract," a senior official with the MoD told TOI over phone
    Army snipers have been using the obsolete Dragunov since it was first inducted in the Indian Army back in 1990. The weapon's ammunition has become expensive and there have been reliability, ability problems. "The 7.62 mm-calibre Dragunov has been suffering from several problems," a senior army officer with an infantry division, currently posted in the North-East sector, told TOI. Army higher-ups and the ministry know about the gun's problems but procurement has remained pending since 2012, due to various reasons."

    Army sources said these rifles fail to "recognise" targets beyond 300 metres at night. Also, the shoulder-fired Dragunov does not possess adequate stability. Pakistani snipers, meanwhile, have been using advanced Austrian rifles against Indian troops along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir, the sources said.

    Every infantry battalion of the Indian Army has about eight to ten snipers. Commenting on the role of snipers, another senior officer, with extensive experience in the North-East and Jammu and Kashmir, said snipers are an invaluable part of operations. "Snipers are force multipliers. Their expertise often gives that desired advantage to operations," the officer said.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...iper-rifles-for-army/articleshow/61327886.cms
     
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    I believe the Army's requirement for new sniper rifles is of the .338 Lapua Magnum caliber. Not .50 A 50-cal would be an anti-material/heavy sniper rifle. For which OFB Vidhwansak/Denel NTW-20 already exists.

    The IA has been using a semi-auto DMR in the role of full-fledged sniper rifle for decades and that has to go. The new bolt-action .338LM will take over from SVD as the principle sniper weapon. The ballistic properties of the .338 are also much superior to 7.62x54mmR or the 7.62x51mm Nato (.308). Last I heard over half a dozen companies are competing for this - including Barrett, PGM, Steyr, IWI, KBP, etc.

    I personally would love either Barrett MRAD or the IWI DAN 338 to get selected.

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    MRAD (Multi-Role Adaptive Design)

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    DAN 338


    However a new semi-auto DMR will also be procured for other infantry/second-man in sniper team roles. Won't be surprised if it'll be another US design (SR-25 or something like that).
     
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    You Indians have serious flaws when it comes to inducting weapons. You should be heaven for foreign companies but your guys have made sure your forces don't get best weapons. You have great tycoons like Ambanis and others who if produce Assault Rifles not only can produce at much lower rate but can make billions only by selling weapons to your Army and Police Forces
     
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    I Still Favor semi auto over Bolt action in DMR

    My choice Will be
    .338 Lapua Ulfberht Semi-Auto Sniper Rifle Alexander Arms

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