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Indian submarine Sindhurakshak catches fire at a naval dockyard

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Rock n Rolla, Aug 14, 2013.

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  1. Himanshu Pandey

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    tunguska Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    What concern were those?
     
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    Russians jumping in to wash of their hands. saying it is not their fault Tunguska'ji.

    Concerns are not addressed in the comment jus that India knew what it was and accepted it. something i cant understand either.
     
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    I can assure you that I do NOT take something like this lightly,and if you are even suggesting such then read my post again re the loss of life in particular.

    However if you have such a lack of confidence in your Government to carry out an in depth enquiry so be it,you obviously know better than I do their capabilities.
     
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    Emphasizing was not enough to the gravity of the situation, but i will take it if you are serious about "loss of life in particular".

    Yeah pretty much true, will and wit wins. It is not my Govt. btw. And it is a known fact that this whole disaster will be watered down to extend that it meant nothing for GoI to take any action.
     
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    You are correct. Even I am not able to understand if there were concerns then why Indian accepted something especially Navy.

    Present Navy chief must clarify this and he is himself a specialist of anti-sub warfare. Further let us wait for Naval chief comment on this fire matter also.
     
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    So,one of the first things to do is to get hold of the report by the Indian inspection team who accepted it into Indian Navy service.

    Then the report by the Russians as to what concerns were raised,and what the Indian teams decision was on that issue (if there ever was one)

    It appears a lot of questions need to be answered.
     
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    Meanwhile -Navy sources say that Navy divers are trying to enter the submarine from the tail section, which is a little above the water line. Navy expects that some of the sailors may have moved to the tail section.
     
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    INS Sindhurakshak: Indian Navy’s 2nd big tragedy after INS Khukri

    New Delhi: It was early evening on December 9, 1971 when Indian frigate INS Khukri sank 40 nautical miles off the coast of Diu after being torpedoed by Pakistani submarine PNS Hangor. The ill-fated ship sank with 18 officers and 176 sailors, marking one of the lowest points for India in the war with Pakistan that year.

    INS Khukri remains the only naval ship India has lost in war; the sinking of INS Sindhurakshak, thought not by an act of war, is now being dubbed as the second big tragedy to have hit the Indian Navy.

    A frontline submarine, INS Sindhurakshak, sunk at the naval dockyard in Mumbai early on Wednesday after it was hit by a series of explosions and subsequent fire. 18 sailors, including three officers, are feared to have died in the tragedy even as efforts are being made to rescue survivors if any.

    Reports claimed that the hydrogen as generated during the charging of the batteries could have lead to a fire which then spread to the weapons compartment leading to multiple explosions.

    It is highly unlikely that INS Sindhurakshak could turn fighting fit again, reports said.
     
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    Sub mishap quite a setback, but Navy will bounce back: experts

    The explosion aboard the country's frontline submarine 'Sindhurakshak' was quite a setback, said former commanders and top naval experts even as they expressed hope that Indian Navy would soon be able to set things right.

    Former Navy Chief Admiral Sushil Kumar said that the incident was, "quite a setback for the navy as Sindhurakshak was one of our frontline submarines which was recently modified and was operational".

    But Kumar said that he was confident that the navy had ways of galvanising into action to find out what went wrong.

    "There could be many reasons why it happened, submarines do need a lot of precautions... There are many possible causes for such mishaps, but it is not the first time that such an accident has taken place," Kumar said.

    He recalled an incident many years ago when the President had called a board of inquiry, but added that the damage in that case had been contained.

    "And, I am sure the navy will have the professional determination to set it right and everything will be back in order," he said.

    Vice Admiral (retd) AK Singh said that an internal explosion on a submarine could have been caused either through material failure or because the standard operating procedure was not followed.

    In submarines, the batteries are placed in the lower part while on top are the missiles, Singh said.

    The batteries release hydrogen and, during charging, the gas reaches a concentration level of about 4%, which may form an explosive mixture.

    Singh, however, added that hydrogen alone was not enough to cause an explosion of the magnitude witnessed in the 'Sindhurakshak' case.

    "I suspect the hydrogen could have created a fire, which spread to the top where the missile compartments are and reached the warheads, (thus) causing a massive explosion.

    "It is unfortunate it was our frontline submarine. The damage done is enormous," Singh said.

    "This is a very major loss. Our conventional submarine fleet has been declining alarmingly and this was a frontline submarine, which had just come from Russia a couple of months back after major repairs and modernisation.

    "It was our most important platform fitted with anti-ship and land attack missiles, torpedoes and very excellent sensors," Vice Admiral Singh said.

    He, however, expressed hope that personnel on board the submarine would have survived the mishap.

    "All our submarines carry secondary systems of individual escapes... Giving oxygen for two-and-a-half hours, there are enough sets for the entire crew," he said.

    Singh said that submarines are divided into six or seven watertight departments in which people can be isolated. People are known to have survived submarine disasters for upto 14 days, he said.

    The 'Sindhurakshak' had sunk at the naval dockyard and not at sea, Singh said, adding that, moreover, it had submerged only 2-3 metres, which means that anybody alive could come out.

    Singh felt that the submarine itself could be salvaged and there are means of lifting up the vessel. The personnel who are trained for such jobs, too, are there, he said.

    Not only Indian Navy, other navies, too, faced problems of battery explosions, Singh said, adding that there had been an explosion on a submarine in 1984, although the damages then were not as heavy as in the present case.

    "Indian Navy, I am sure, is capable of getting the submarine back, but if the damage is extensive that will take some years," he said.

    Vice Admiral (retd) Madanjit Singh said that the incident was the first of its kind in the country in peacetime and was a matter to be seriously investigated.

    He said it was possible that the hydrogen that accumulates during the charging of its batteries could have started the initial reaction through a likely spark which then caused the explosion.

    "All these weapons have a series of safeguards: inter-locks - electronic and mechanical - which prevent the weapons from exploding.

    "So, this is a matter of serious investigation as to what caused this explosion," Madanjit Singh said.

    Former IDSA director, Commodore (retd) Uday Bhaskar, said that since the rate of induction of new platforms has not kept up with the kind of wear and tear that a submarine faces, the Navy's submarine fleet was depleting while its operational load was increasing.

    "The fact that the Sindhurakshak (incident) has happened, is going to have its own adverse impact," he averred.

    Sub mishap quite a setback, but Navy will bounce back: experts | Business Standard
     
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    Can't rule out sabotage: Navy chief

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    Naval Chief Admiral D.K. Joshi: "We hope for the best and prepare for the worst."

    The Indian Navy chief said the cause of the huge explosions that sank INS Sindhurakshak submarine here on early Wednesday was not known.

    Admiral D.K. Joshi told the media after Defence Minister A.K. Antony visited the disaster site that any number of factors could have led to the tragedy that is believed to have killed 18 officers and sailors.

    He said initially there was a primary explosion of smaller intensity which in turn caused a major explosion, destroying ammunition stored in the front section of the deep sea attack vessel.

    "We cannot rule out sabotage," he said. "But indications at this point do not support the (sabotage) theory."

    "At this point of time we are unable to put a finger on what exactly could have gone wrong."

    Admiral Joshi appeared to indicate that all 15 sailors and three officers who were in the submarine may have perished when he said: "We hope for the best and prepare for the worst."

    He added that the submarine had remained sunk for more than 12 hours.

    He said the vessel, recently refurbished in Russia, had a large stock of ammunition, fuel and oxygen water.

    "Any combination of any of these malfunctioning could have resulted (in the explosion)."

    The navy chief said the submarine had inbuilt safety measures including automatic and manual monitoring mechanism but “obviously they have not functioned.”

    He said naval divers had now reached the sunk submarine and managed to open the main hatch that had got jammed.

    He said the navy would be able to determine the reason for the “major catastrophe” only after a thorough study of the submarine.

    The admiral said a board of inquiry ordered into the incident would submit its report within four weeks.

    He refused to link Wednesday's disaster with any previous incident in the same submarine.

    "This is a stand alone incident. There can be no connection with any earlier incident."

    Can't rule out sabotage: Navy chief - The Hindu
     
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    really?
     
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