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Indian Tender For Next Gen Subs (Project-75I)

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by tariqkhan18, Feb 23, 2011.

  1. Paliwal Warrior

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    I knew something big is going to happen otherwise Anil Ambani wud not have bought Pipavav.
     
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    youg brother getting in the good books of the new govt

    while the big brother has a falout with the new govt
     
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    The elder one is stooge of Italian waitress. He is the frontman for most of her biz in India.
     
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    he is practical - vyavharik
     
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    but he is

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    HSL facing tough competition from Private Shipyards for Project-75i

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    Hindustan Shipyard Ltd is experiencing most difficult time with hectic lobbying by the private shipyards to knock it down from the race to bag the Rs.60,000-crore contract for construction of submarines and the announcement by Union Minister for Heavy Industries Anant Geete to shut it down for recurring losses.

    HSL, which was set up in 1941 in recognition of strategic location of Visakhapatnam, is sick due to which it was shifted from the Ministry of Shipping to the Defence in February, 2010, with the promise that it would be used to cater to the needs of Navy.

    HSL created submarine repair facilities by investing Rs.50 crore. It also formed a consortium with BHEL and Midhani and entered into an agreement with shipping giant Hyundai of Korea to strengthen its cause to bag submarine orders under ‘Make in India’ programme.

    Advantage

    Availability of manpower — retired naval personnel experienced in submarine repairs and building nuclear powered submarine at another shipyard in the city — is considered a big advantage for HSL in taking up Greenfield submarine construction.

    Owing to the management efforts, the net loss of HSL reduced year-on-year from Rs.86 crore in 2011-12, to Rs.55 crore in 2012-13 and Rs.46 crore in 2013-14.

    The twin developments – Mr. Geete’s announcement in Parliament and reports on short-listing of two private shipyards for the submarine deal – shattered the morale of the HSL employees, who threatened to take to streets if the yard is closed. “It’s a major industrial establishment in Visakhapatnam which spurred growth in the city and its closure will not be allowed,” veteran stevedore Garuda Pattabhiramayya told The Hindu .

    CMD clarifies

    Terming the closure reports untrue, HSL Chairman and Managing Director Rear Admiral N.K. Mishra said they had been asked to submit some inputs by the core committee on submarines. He said the revival of HSL was under consideration of the Ministry of Defence and the reports on rejection of HSL efforts to bag submarine deal were part of malicious campaign to destabilise HSL.

    It’s a major industrial establishment in Visakhapatnam and its closure will not be allowed

    HSL facing tough competition from Private Shipyards for Project-75i | idrw.org
     
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    India might do Govt-to-govt deal on Project-75I With Germans on Submarines
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    India has sounded out Germany for a direct government-to-government deal to buy six submarines, bypassing a competitive bidding process in what could be New Delhi’s costliest military acquisitions programme.

    The Indian Navy is now in the middle of finalising the specifications for and choosing a shipyard for its P75i programme to acquire six conventional submarines. The submarines must be capable of firing missiles to attack targets on land and must have air independent propulsion (AIP) that gives them more endurance to stay underwater.

    The total cost of the project could top $11 billion (approximately Rs 66,000 crore).The enquiry to the Germans was made at delegation-level talks last evening, a source in the defence ministry said today. The German defence minister, Ursula Von Der Leyen, is currently visiting India.

    The Indian Navy currently operates a fleet of 13 conventional diesel-electric submarines after its INS Sindhurakshak sank in Mumbai in August 2013. Four of the submarines are of German-origin.

    “We asked them what they would offer if we went for the submarines in a direct government-to-government deal,” said the official.

    German conglomerate, Thyssenkrupp, the original builders of the U-Boat of Hitler’s navy in World War II, currently owns HDW from which the Indian Navy sourced its Type 209 Shishumar-class submarines (INS Shishumar, Shankush, Shalki and Shankul) between 1986 and 1994 before the deal was hit by allegations of bribery and suspended.

    Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems is now contracted to upgrade the four submarines. The upgradation involves equipping them with capability to fire Harpoon missiles.

    The Project 75i programme is designed to assist the navy in beefing up its undersurface power after a three-year submarine-building project drafted in the 1990s went askew. The navy wanted 24 submarines by 2024; it now effectively has 13 with two or three constantly under refit.

    Last year, the government decided to select an Indian shipyard for P75i for which a committee headed by the navy’s chief of design, vice-admiral Ashok Subhedar, has been tasked.

    A defence official said the Modi government was closer to a policy in which all purchases of “strategic equipment” would be made through government-to-government deals. He cited the example of the decision to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from France.

    An official statement from the ministry said the talks between Manohar Parrikar and the visiting German minister focused on “partnering of Germany in the Make-in-India initiative in the defence sector and supply of state-of-the-art equipmentechnology”.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Germany last month. German chancellor Angela Merkel is slated to visit India later in the year. The German defence minister will be visiting the Western Naval Command in Mumbai tomorrow.


    India might do Govt-to-govt deal on Project-75I With Germans on Submarines | idrw.org
     
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    Germany hopeful of bagging Indian Navy's Rs 50,000 crore submarine project

    NEW DELHI: Hopeful of bagging the Rs 50,000 crore project of the Indian Navy for building six conventional submarines, Germany has said that it has offered some "pretty convincing" business offers to the Indian government for cooperation in the defence sector.

    German Ambassador to India Michael Steiner said the P-75(I) project was under discussion and that the matter also came up during German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen's visit here last month.

    "They did not talk about how this deal should be done... whether this should be Business-to-Business or Government-to -Government. But as our Minister said, from these talks, it was a clear sign that there is potential for cooperation in this field (defence) and also in the field of submarines," he said while speaking to reporters on the sidelines of an event here last night.

    The Germans are also promising a no-hold barred transfer of technology in line with the Narendra Modi government's 'Make in India' push.

    Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had set up a special committee for the project to identify the shipyards in the country that have the capability and the capacity to build the six submarines. These shipyards will then tie-up with a foreign firm.

    Besides the public shipyards, the private players include L&T and Pipavav, in which Anil Ambani-led Reliance group has bought controlling stake. The committee is expected to submit the report soon.

    After the Indian government announced a G2G deal with France for 36 Rafale jets, the Germans are hopeful that a deal can be struck faster than earlier.

    India currently operates four HDW Type 209 submarines and the first was inducted way back in 1986.

    Asked about the Rafale deal, Steiner said European economies are so interwoven that if a French company has an economic success, it is very much in German interest as well.

    Germany hopeful of bagging Indian Navy's Rs 50,000 crore submarine project - The Economic Times
     
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    Rosoboronexport and Indian Larsen and Tourbo Ltd discussed creation of anaerobic power unit for submarines in India and is going to be finalised during upcoming St Petersburg International Economic Forum. 1017194967.jpg
     
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    The art mastered by DRDO is well known by now in all weapon systems, its better to rope in L&T with russian OEM to be on safe side
     
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    The Russian offer will spell doom to the indigenous efforts in this direction as it will be coupled with the supply of amur submarines. At least some content should be Indian.
     
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    yes but we have seen how much competent the DRDO has been in such high tech arenas, delayed all projects. Unless private sector is given work to develop AIP there is hell to wait for depending upon govt cos like DRDO/HAL
     
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    Amur 1650 being offered under Project 75I has attributes coming from Lada/Amur class submarines. AIP offered by Russians is only just concluded land trials. Sea trials are progressing only. So why choose something which is being developed.
     
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