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India’s aircraft carrier strategy ‘a failure’ says Chinese military strategist Liu Kui

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  1. lca-fan

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    India’s aircraft carrier strategy ‘a failure’ says Chinese military strategist Liu Kui

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    A Chinese military strategist at a People’s Liberation Army Navy think-tank has dubbed India’s aircraft carrier strategy a failure, calling for China to expand its own carrier programme as the PLA Navy readies its aircraft second carrier.

    Liu Kui, of the Naval Equipment Research Institute of the PLA Navy, said that the recent decommissioning of INS Viraat, which left India with one aircraft carrier, had shown that India’s long-time strategy to dominate the Indian Ocean with three aircraft carriers was “falling flat”.

    “The Indian Navy’s dream of having three aircraft carriers has fallen flat because it overestimated its R&D capability and the country’s overall strength, and undertook an excessively massive strategy that eventually got stranded,” said Liu, in an article published on the PLA’s official website, in Chinese and in English.

    “To achieve the goal of three aircraft carriers, India, while extending the INS Viraat’s service time, invested a lot of money to modify the INS Vikramaditya and carried on with the INS Vikrant development, but the seemingly efficient ‘three-pronged’ approach didn’t go as successfully as expected,” he said.

    “The INS Vikramaditya has cost so much money that the new INS Vikrant that should have been commissioned in 2014 won’t be completed until 2018, and whether India can meet that deadline is still uncertain.”

    Lessons for China

    He said there were “lessons” for China from India’s experience, and that it should carry on with its aircraft carrier programme as well as enhance civilian-military integration to boost capabilities.

    His comments came as Chinese military officials signalled that China’s second aircraft carrier – its first home-grown one after the refitted Liaoning – would be ready for sea trials by 2019. At the on-going session of China’s National People’s Congress or Parliament, which announced a 7 per cent hike in defence spending, several military experts have called for a boost to the Navy’s funding and to expand the aircraft carrier programme.

    PLA Navy Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, who is also a member of parliament, said China “needs two carrier strike groups in the West Pacific Ocean and two in the Indian Ocean. So, we need at least five to six aircraft carriers.”

    In the article, the PLA Navy expert, Liu Kui, said that Indian navy strategists had envisaged “two aircraft carriers in order to ‘dominate’ the Indian Ocean and control the Bay of Bengal east of India and the Arabian Sea” and “a third aircraft carrier as a mobile force to provide quick aid or sail to other sea areas critical for its interests.”

    India’s ocean strategy

    “However, in comparison to India’s ocean strategy, its aircraft carrier development hasn’t been a plain sailing,” he said. “First, India isn’t capable of independent ship R&D and modification. Second, India’s strategic layout isn’t consistent with its overall national strength.”

    He also said India had a “carrier complex” and “mistook the deterrence of aircraft carrier for combat capability”. “It is imperative to develop aircraft carriers, but it cannot be hurried through. Not all carrier-borne aircraft can be put into combat, but India insisted on increasing the number of aircraft carriers under such circumstances.”

    He concluded there were lessons for China, starting with providing “continuous support to the development of aircraft carriers.”

    Indian Navy continuously growing in strength

    “Although no large-scale warfare broke out in the Indian Ocean in the past few decades, the Indian Navy is continuously growing in strength, and the existence of aircraft carrier especially deters other countries along the Indian Ocean from violating India’s marginal islands. In peacetime, an aircraft carrier is an effective naval vessel that displays deterrence and protects regional and world peace.”He said China should also “continue to reinforce its innovation and R&D capability” rather than, as in India’s case, rely on imports, and also “make steady progress with combat capability as the top priority” rather than “in haste”.

    He also called for further civilian-military integration, which has enabled China to build a domestic military industrial complex.

    “A major obstacle in India’s development of aircraft carriers is the inadequate overall national strength, which makes it unable to afford the operation and R&D of three aircraft carriers all at once,” he concluded. “The future war isn’t just about the military, but concerns the whole nation. China should promote and implement the military-civilian strategy in depth and advance national and military development in parallel.

    http://idrw.org/chinese-military-strategist-liu-kui-says-indias-aircraft-carrier-strategy-a-failure/
     
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    India has been operating Aircraft carriers since 1961 while this chibot's navy has to teach its captains that Aircraft carriers are not supposed to be rammed into another ship. He should frankly shut up.
     
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    Very wise of them .....

    Poor souls must be scratching their heads wondering how will the Indians match the sudden expansion of their fleet.
     
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    The Chinese is bit of a loony and just parroting the line that they have a better building capacity can us, Indians ... BUT failed or lack any understanding that Experience matters in managing CGBs. All they want to do is emulate the USN, anyone see the videos on the Liaoing ? ... The deck crew are simply aping the USN crew and I'm sure they honestly DONT know why they do it!
     
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    The original idea mooted by IN in 1950s was 4 carriers.. 2 proper carriers and 2 mini.. it was PM Nehru who shot it down saying financial condition not upto mark and India was already under drought...

    IN had to finally contend itself with just 1 even though it was not the best nor it was a proper carrier as IN envisioned ...

    Over time also IN carrier strategy remains partially only on paper.. Hermes was basically procured after it retired ... Baku post accident and refurbished by Indian side with exorbitant cost...In both these cases the lack of a carrier building ability meant we were dependent on the abroad friendly countries to allow us have the AC.

    If that was not enough the piecemeal procurement due to slow rise in financial health of our country meant Hermes had UK fighter jets and finally sported a Harrier.. and Baku Mig29K.. we were not experienced in any of those types nor we had prior expertise of maintaining them or having a local supply chain to upkeep the aircraft..

    The whole learning was very steep and tough for us.. and yes the lack of foresight by GOI left us in a lurch..

    Initial years post Independence it was Army which was the prime focus.. then air Force.. and now slowly coming up is Navy..

    The onus and responsibility of IOR will push India back to its initial 4 carrier strategy which will eventually become 5-7 carriers over time including few exclusive helicopter or vertical take off and landing jets.. all that needs support from Economy, industry and most importantly Responsibility IN is mandated to have..

    With IOR now under focus.. it's clearly moving in that direction.. IAC 1 and its follow on basically takes care of the local ship building part...Localisation and local production of almost all equipments is already there and IN has identified the next major lot under long term program which needs urgent localisation and Pvt sector participation...

    So I think Mr Liu is partially correct and partially wrong.. what Chinese side needs to understand is if it was not PM Nehru's intervention, we would have gone for 4 carriers from 1950s itself.. it was our financial inability... And now with changing times and better economy, we will be shifting to that strategy.. eventually..
     
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    ^^

    What? Seriously?

    India was poor. India in no way could have afforded 2 CBG's. Stop making Nehru the scapegoat for every damn thing.

    The country had other things to do. He may not had the foresight. Ok. But even if he had the foresight, no money.

    Even with changing economy, I assure you India will lag behind Chinese for at least 3 decades.
     
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    I did say India was under drought.. and yes proposal was shot down..It was in mid 1950s..

    It was a time where that decision was best for the country.. we could not have afforded the ships nor the personnel to train..

    On top the focus was about armed forces bcz Issues with Pakistan around border were already starting..

    So No Nehru is not a scape goat.. but eventually when we agreed for a carrier the whole doctrine was much watered down.. its a similar case for even our submarine acquisition which we wanted much earlier as well..

    The priority of nehru was correct at that time.. we could never afford all that..
     
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    is there any Indian strategy which is considered success by Chinese?
     
  10. Blue Marlin

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    what happend to baku.......
     
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    China is indeed lack for the experience of efficiently operating aircraft carriers, so that Liaoning is called the training vessel.

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  12. Inactive

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    The PLA-N is on a learning curve. Operationalisation of doctrines and modifications from various simulations will perfect their carrier operations in due course of time.

    Hence, the lack of experience quip by members here.
     
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    Yes, agree, training curve. Anyway, PLAN has a long way to go, and there are lots of jobs need to be done. How many years PLAN needs to spend to have the carrier operational ability reached to a decent level? I don't know.
     
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    Depends on the tempo of operations and deployment.

    Since PLA-N intends on a 4 Carrier Navy ..... I shall say that time will be needed. However, I am sure that within the next decade you shall have the adequate manpower to man your 4 CBGs and they shall be in sync, operating as a cohesive force.

    I have given a time frame of 10 as you shall need to develop your procedures of attack and defence and evolve ... all takes time.
     
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  15. Inactive

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    Yes .. where we create chaos in name of democracy and make sure we remain stunted .. they laud that!
     

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