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India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier to be inducted in 2018

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  1. Anees

    Anees Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    VELLORE: The country's first indigenous aircraft carrier will be commissioned by the Indian Navy by the end of 2018, said Rear Admiral Surendra Ahuja, assistant controller carrier project and assistant controller warship production and acquisition, Integrated Headquarters, Ministry of Defence (Navy).

    "The indigenous aircraft is currently being constructed in Cochin. It is expected to be delivered by the end of 2018," Ahuja told reporters on the sidelines of the passing out parade of 87th helicopter course of INS Rajjali at Arakkonam, Vellore.

    As many as 11 Navy and five Coast Guard pilots were honoured with wings on Friday. It would have the capacity to carry 30 aircrafts, fighter flights and helicopters, he said.

    The Indian Navy has sent a proposal to the central government, seeking its nod to build a bigger aircraft carrier, weighing 65,000 tonnes, with a capacity to carry 54 helicopters, fixed wing fighters and multi-role helicopters. "The proposal is currently with the government and is being actively considered. We are reasonably hopeful that we will get the approval very soon. It will be a game-changer," he said.

    He further said the Indian Navy envisaged procuring 57 more technology-based fighters. "The proposal is yet to reach the government. The Navy is doing the ground work for the 57 tech-based aircrafts," he added.

    The Navy has inducted eight P -8I (long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft) in INS Rajali, he said and added that four more would be inducted soon. "We have signed the contract recently. It will be soon delivered," he said.


    Of the contract signed with Russia for a total of 45 MiG - 29K aircrafts, the Navy had received 41 and the remaining four would be received within a month's time said Ahuja. "Twelve Dorniers, eight Chetak helicopters, 16 advanced lightweight helicopters, 16 multi-role helicopters and many more on the anvil," he added.


    Earlier, speaking in the passing out parade, he said that the Navy and Coast Guard air arm have been expanding and were witnessing an unprecedented growth.




    Addressing the pilots who received the 'wings', he advised them to remember that flying is good when there is a right mix of discipline and dare. He asked pilots to know their machine, craft and men for a rewarding career in the force.




    The pilots underwent rigorous training for 21 weeks in flying and aviation at Indian Naval Air Squadron 561, the Helicopter Training School which has graduated 666 pilots for the Indian Navy and Coast Guard till date. The school was initially commissioned in Kochi on September 15, 1971 and it shifted the present location at INS Rajali in Arakkonam. It is the largest operational air base of the Indian Navy.




    Lt Rishab Dutta received the Governor of Kerala rolling trophy after being adjudged the best all-round trainee pilot, while LT Kiran was awarded the Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Eastern Naval Command Rolling Trophy for standing first in order of merit. A book prize was also awarded to Lt Rishab Dutta for standing first in ground subjects. The graduate pilots will subsequently join operational flights in Daman, Goa, Kochi, Mumbai and Vizag.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-be-inducted-in-2018/articleshow/56023951.cms
     
  2. R!CK

    R!CK 2nd Lieutant REGISTERED

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    Key Takeaways

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    So is it possible to derive that the IN requirement is for 57 combat aircraft ?

    @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @randomradio @Agent_47 @Gessler @vstol jockey @Ankit Kumar 001 @GuardianRED

    Good Day!
     
  3. GuardianRED

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    From the quotes ... we get that the IN has already decided on its future fighter , this "Tech base fighter" is a bit ambiguous BUT most likely an existing and combat proven frame . The question is what are they waiting for?

    (GO Rafale!)
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    So, now we have a number.
     
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    So ,the WSJ article?
     
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    @vstol jockey This is for since you were a naval aviator and are in better position to answer than others.

    There are 2 types of carriers at present STOBAR and CATOBAR. India has STOBAR INS Vikramadtiya and is building Ins Vikrant (maybe one more sister ship too) since CATOBARs are too expensive to operate and maintain but are very effective and allows to operate fighters at full capacity (war payload and fuel). Whereas STOBARS like ours lowers a fighters capabilities both (less fuel and payload like seen in MIG29k as compared to land version), since the main engines even working with full afterburners (which depletes fuel lowering range) can't accelerate it to the required speed for the given runway.

    Now can we use STOBAR carriers with a newer technology (will have to work on) where we can use rocket assistance to launch the fighters with full capacity on a STOBAR carrier. Here we can use strap on rockets below the main engines while launching the fighters on sortie, here we won't have to engage afterburners like in CATOBAR while fighters carrying full payload (fuel and weapon) and once the fighter is in air depleted rockets can be discarded (I suppose a few land based Drones are launched using rocket assistance). This can improve the effectiveness of our Aircraft Carriers INS Vikramadtiya and Ins Vikrant without shelling too much. Even you can use this for your upcoming N-LSA.
     
  7. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The reqt of 57 is only for Vikky & IAC-1. For IAC-2 we will need another 80 aircraft.
     
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    As @vstol jockey correctly points out, these fighters are for the STOBAR carriers of the IN, they aren't for the IAC-2.

    Anyway, "tech based fighter" doesn't exactly sound like a description of the MiG-29K, does it?
     
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    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    All I can think of are 57 F-35B and 80 F-35C.

    That and new orders of 22 Guardian UAVs, 12 P-8I, 6 E-2D+ Hawkeye, 100+ Sikorsky S-70B, 9 P-8I-lite/Sea Hercules.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    1) Won't be ready for IN before 2020 (IAC-1 comes in 2018)
    2) Would take a decade plus to get India and the US on the same page vis a vis end user agreements and all other technical aspects worked out (not even CISMOA is on the table as of now).
    3) The IN's STOBAR carriers haven't been designed to operate the F-35B, they would require extensive modifications in order to become home to it.

    A nice list but I would prefer to get see the MQ-4C in the fray also along with some V-22s for the IN's COD requirements, the IAF's CSAR and India's Spec Ops command (whenever it is raised).

    + I get the feeling the IN's MR-MPA role will be handled by a C-295 based platform fitted out by DRDO/CABS- just like the ICG is opting for.
     
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    I want some ~30 P-8Is please. Baaki sab bhad mein jao.

    :yes4:
     
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    IN's internal projections are that they need 24-30 P-8Is by 2027. By 2022 they will have 12 but if they keep placing batch orders from 2019 onwards they will reach their target quite easily.

    I feel as though this requirement will actually be revised upwards in the coming years though, as we have already seen how aggressively the IN is deploying them (A&N, Malaysia, Seychelles etc) they never took such measures with their legacy LR-MPAs (142/38). The deployability of the P-8I and its high "up time" will only further incentivise the IN to keep placing orders coupled with a more assertive PLA(N) in the IOR.

    Hopefully the IN orders larger batches in the future as they are allocated more and more resources, 4/8 units at a time just aren't sufficent to build up the force swiftly and will create a pretty serious lifespan descrepency across the fleet (consider that by the time the new inductions take place in 2027 the first P-8Is of the IN will have already crossed 50% of their intended lifespan) and place needless strain on the limited fleet.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It will cost $ 80 Billion
     
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    1. IAC-1 would barely finish construction in 2018. It is very difficult for it to be inducted in 2018, and would take a couple more years in trails.

    2. IAC-1 is not made for F-35 specification, and would need heat resistant coating on deck to allow it fly F-35B. Similar problem with Rafale-M as IAC-I's lift probably would not be able to fit Rafale-M in.

    3. Thus IN may only be left with a choice of more Mig-29K for IAC-1.
     
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    Yup, will head for sea trails in late 2018/early 2019 and it will be another 18 months-2 years of rigourous sea trails before she is offically commisioned. But part of the validation/trails phase is intergration of her air wing so fighters are needed for her ASAP.


    Exacty right about the heat resistant decks.

    There is little evidence that the Rafale-M couldn't use the IAC-1's lifts, they are designed to be able to cater for large fighters:

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    100% though the Vikramditya's poorly designed lifts won't be able to fit the Rafale-M.

    IF this were the case they would have ordered more by now, they wouldn't be talking about looking at a "tech based fighter". Clearly the IN knows better.
     
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