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India’s Muslims

Discussion in 'Internal Affairs' started by VCheng, Nov 1, 2016.

  1. Inactive

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    In my opinion, and now it is only an opinion, the only principle which is applicable is the supremacy of the Constitution and through it, the legality of the state.

    Any and all actions must always be in accordance with the principles as enunciated by the founding fathers (&mothers to be politically correct). Where they may have failed in their implementation of the Constitution for whatever the reasons, the onus lies on the successive generations to ensure that the Constitution is strengthened and implemented in its truest and fullest form.

    For this, the Preamble of the original constitution remains the principal and perhaps the only guiding principle(s).

    I think I have nothing more to add to this and hence withdraw.

    Thanks
     
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    Nilgiri Lieutenant IDF NewBie

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    Sweet Bang Galore is here! Now joe and him can have some dishoom dishoom in polite coffee talk way. :p
     
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    VCheng RIDER REGISTERED

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    To counter that, let me suggest that there is perhaps no greater uniting force than greed in serving one's interests. The more the shared interests, the greater the gain from uniting.
     
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    Similarity Can Be Seen In Voting Pattern During Partition Where 90 % Of the Muslims Voted In Favour of creation Of Pakistan
    In your Dream World Muslim Chosen Jinnah Over A abul kalam azad


    The truth remains that the overwhelming majority of Muslims of undivided India voted for partition. As you may be aware, the elections in India since 1909 were being held on the basis of "separate electorates". What this meant was that certain seats were earmarked such that from these seats only Muslims could stand and only Muslims could vote. The 1946 provincial elections were held to select the Constituent Assembly of undivided India. They were the last elections in undivided India.The Congress and Muslim League were the two principle parties. The Muslim League had been fighting for Pakistan for quite some time.The elections were a de facto referendum on whether the undivided India should be partitioned. There were a total of 492 Muslim seats. Muslim League won 429!!

    No,But It used as Defective tactics to cover Other Sins and Generalization Of all Issues
    Again What Cliche:argh: There Social Issues in every society that is Not only Limit To Caste but On Ethnic,color ,gender,Social ,class,Economical Divide basis Its there Since Formation of Modern Society Why you are generalizing only One issue Belong to one Society and One Set of people Why this Selected Approach , Wake up we are Living in 2016 CE Not BC
    :facepalm:Your Attempt of generalization of Issues and Problems For A Particular Society Hindus In this regard is Surprising That Blocked your view To see Same Level Of Issues And Problems of other Side Are they free From this Why this Myopic Views In Selected Accident
    There Multiple Accidents Which are generated By other Side Let us Not go into That Dark chapters of history
    The Father Of Religious Based Politics Is congress in india It Should be banned Also Along With RSS. Ideology Not a Slave of Any Organisation It existed Before them It Will Exist After them
    You doing Same Mistake what congress Done All these Years And Which Led to Most Powerful Era For BJP and RSS In there Entire Known History And It is getting Stronger Day by day
    Problem is you Not getting what I,M Trying to Explain you
    The biggest Bigot Is One Who Find faults In others Not In Itself .The Moment He started Calling other Bigots Just because A group Or Society Not Functioning According To His Own Set of Beliefs



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  6. Joe Shearer

    Joe Shearer VETERAN MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Unlike what you may have experienced so far, repeating a thing does not make it come true.

    Don't know what is being conveyed.

    You seem to be unaware that partition did not happen because of this election. Partition happened because of Congress rejection of its own agreement to the Cabinet Mission plan on 10th June 1946.

    As I have told you earlier, and as I am telling you for the last time, learn before you come to argue. You are twentysix; there is still hope. Less smart talk and more books and reading. :D

    Whatever that means. Perhaps you had better get a translator before you write your next post.

    And you do not seem to have understood the difference. If it were not for the huge defects in Hindu society and culture, we would not be so backward. What you need to do is to attend to reform of Hinduism first, and then seek to advise others.

    The problem is not with me. The problem is with those, specifically the Sangh Parivar, that seeks to right every wrong except for what it should do first - internally, at home. Muslims need reform; so do Hindus. So instead of insisting on Muslim reform through Hindu action, why not you clean up your own act?

     
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    Again Your Problem is Of generalisation A your perception Deceived you What you call Modern is 300 years western Industrialisation Build On corpses of the Colonies what you Describe Advancement and Modern

    Hinduism What Is It Known it today Is To Complex Process or Phenomenon Which Even the Fondation Document Constitution or Supreme Court And Or even the Top Most Brains Din't Able to Define They Only Able Transcript What They grasp From What's Limited Available to them

    Again Its Your Perception And your Myopic views Which Stop you To even Listen To Views Contrary from yours Even for one Second And You call others bigots

    Its your own views I don't have Any command over it your free and completely entitled to think Like this And Perceive It Right Or wrong in your Own way
     
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    Too late. Back to school.

    Too late.

    Too late.
     
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    Remember the skin colour issue?
     
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    Yes.
    IMO, the inferiority complex on the basis of skin colour is something that can be credited to the colonial mentality of ppl from the subcontinent. The fairer the complexion,closer they felt to their masters. Britishers loved adding fuel to fire. Lol
    Errrr...But how is this related to greed?
     
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    Not to greed,its related to the genes:sarcastic:
     
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    Nearly 80% of divorced Indian Muslims are women, shows Census 2011 data


    Across religious communities, except Sikhs, there are more divorced women than men. But the gender skew is particularly sharp among Muslims (79:21), followed by "other religions" (72:28), and Buddhists (70:30).

    Among divorced Indian women, 68 percent are Hindu, and 23.3 percent, Muslims, according to Census 2011 data on the marital status of Indians. The data were recently cited by Muslim groups protesting the national law commission’s formulation of a uniform civil code, especially a ban on triple talaq, according to this report in The Hindu.

    Among divorced men, Hindus account for 76 percent, and Muslims, 12.7 percent. Both Christian women and men cover 4.1 percent of their gender-respective divorced groups.

    What do the ratios imply?

    Women’s rights activists believe that the gender imbalance in the numbers implies that more men than women are remarrying. "If there are 100 divorced couples, it should show a 50:50 sex-ratio. The skewed ratio plainly shows that after divorce, not only is it easier for men to remarry but also that they show a greater need or want to remarry," Flavia Agnes, legal scholar and women’s rights activist, told IndiaSpend in a telephonic interview.


    Source: Census 2011

    The skewed ratio among Muslims could be attributed to two problems, according to Hasina Khan, founder of the Bebaak Collective, a Muslim women’s organisation based in Mumbai. "The first is the absolute powers given to men under the Muslim Personal Laws by allowing triple talaq and so on. For women, getting married provides security of shelter and food with few rights for negotiation," she said.

    The other reason is the state’s failure to empower Muslim women, she added.

    "There is little political will to address the needs of this sub-group. The socio-economic condition of Muslim women in India continues to deteriorate with inadequate access to good education, job opportunities and so on," Khan said.

    Maharashtra has most divorced women

    With a total population of 8.5 lakh divorced persons, the Census recorded more failed marriages in rural India where a higher proportion of the nation’s population still resides. In urban India, there were 5.03 lakh divorced persons.

    Maharashtra, with 2.09 lakh persons, recorded the highest number of divorced citizens. The second-most populous state also holds the largest disproportion of men-to-women divorcees. About 73.5 percent or 1.5 lakh divorced persons in the state are women.

    The highest population of divorced men in the country — 1.03 lakh persons – resides in Gujarat, accounting for 54 percent of the state’s divorced population.

    Goa, with 1,330 divorcees, holds the lowest record of failed marriages.

    More women than men deserted after marriage

    More women than men in India are separated — out of a marriage without a formal divorce – the Census data showed. Activists believe that this indicates widespread practice of polygamy across India.

    "Men often desert their wives in a separation, withholding from them the freedom to remarry. The data incongruence clearly shows that more men are into polygamy, obtaining second and third wives, while society gives no rights for women," Agnes said.

    Within religious communities, the highest imbalance of separated women-to-men ratio has been recorded among Muslims, with women accounting for 75 percent of the separated population. Christian women, who comprised 69 percent of the separated population within their community, follow. Another significant disparity has been recorded among Buddhists, where separated women comprised 68 percent of the demographic group within their community.


    Source: Census 2011

    Over the decade ending 2011, there was a 39 percent rise in the number of single Indian women including widows, divorcees and unmarried women, and those deserted by husbands, IndiaSpend reported in November 2015. However, the number of bachelors (58 percent) still exceeds unmarried women, according to the Census data, indicating a higher pressure on women to get married.

    The triple talaq debate

    On October 7, 2016, the National Law Commission published a list of 16 questions seeking public opinion on the need for a uniform civil code for India. Apart from probing citizens’ perception of gender equality in prevalent personal laws across religions, a question asked if the practice of triple talaq should be abolished, continued or amended. Another question sought views on strengthening Hindu women’s rights to inherit property.

    The Muslim Personal Law Board has criticised the legal panel’s exercise, claiming the law commission is not acting independent of the central government that opposed the triple talaq law in Supreme Court the same day. Responding to a batch of public interest litigations filed by NGOs and women’s rights groups on the issue, the Centre said the practice cannot be regarded as an essential part of religion, according to this Times of India report.

    “There are gender discriminatory personal laws across India's religious communities not merely among Muslims. Though it claims to aid vulnerable sections, the law commission’s plans for the uniform civil code do not deal with these in the right spirit. The uniformity it speaks of would only dilute India’s plural cultures while bringing in the same patriarchal bias," Khan said.

    Hindus comprise about 80 percent of India’s population, while Muslims account for 14.23 percent. Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, and Jains comprise 2.3 percent, 1.72 percent, 0.7 percent and 0.37 percent, respectively, of the population.

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/near...are-women-shows-census-2011-data-3053332.html
     

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