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India's second aircraft carrier will be of catobar type

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  1. Anees

    Anees Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    INDIA'S SECOND AIRCRAFT CARRIER WILL BE OF CATOBAR TYPE


    As one of the leaders of the Asia-Pacific Region (APR), India possesses a commensurate military capability, one of the main components of which is the country’s naval forces. Today, India shows all the signs of being a first-class naval power with a nuclear submarine fleet and carrier aviation. Neither is astonishing in terms of scale, yet the trends and construction programmes indicate that, although far short of marine supremacy in the APR (unthinkable in the near future while the U.S. still draws breath), India’s claim to being on equal terms with China’s growing maritime prowess is valid.

    Given that the main arena of military confrontation in the APR is the vast expanse of the Indian and Pacific oceans, India’s aircraft carrier programme is of crucial importance to the country, alongside its nuclear and air force programmes. India possesses half a century of uninterrupted experience of carrier aviation, and its newly adopted programme entails the commissioning over a 15-year period of three aircraft carriers, two of which are to be built in India itself. These three carriers will enable the Indian Navy to maintain two aircraft carrier groups in a permanent state of combat readiness.

    Russia’s focus on Indian carriers

    For India’s armed forces, the first half of the 2000s was marked by the arrival in its arsenal of the Su-30: the Su-30KN “interim†version was followed by the fully-fledged Su-30MKI with the very latest avionics and powerful weaponry. These truly versatile planes, equally effective at dog-fighting and attacking ground targets with precision weapons, radically altered the Indian military’s perception of what is possible in modern aviation.

    At the same time, the Indian Navy, which already had successful experience of operating Soviet warships, submarines, and helicopters, became interested in Russia’s proposals to overhaul the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier in line with India’s requirements and to supply MiG-29K fighters.

    Indian admirals adopted a hard line on defence: the idea of ??replacing the 20,000-tonne Vikrant and the 29,000-tonne Virat with ships almost half their size was not to their liking. Nevertheless, the design of a new aircraft carrier capable of carrying 12-15 aircraft got underway, although the fleet did manage to up the displacement to 17,000 metric tonnes.

    In layman’s language, the term “aircraft carrier†generally implies a multirole vessel capable of carrying aircraft, while the word “indigenous†in this context refers to a national project of top priority that is mostly implemented internally.

    The project in question, however, does involve foreign experts, since India is not yet capable of independently engineering a ship of such complexity. Officially, India does not recognize the foreign provenance of the vessel, but the press has reported the participation of Italy’s Fincantieri.

    Russia’s involvement is also tacitly assumed, namely MiG Aircraft Corporation, supplier of next-generation fighters to the Indian Navy, and Nevskoe PKB, developer of Soviet aircraft carriers with experience of refitting carriers for the MiG-29K.

    Super carriers and dreams of maritime supremacy

    In the summer of 2012, India began work on a second aircraft carrier under its IAC programme. The INS Vishal is due to follow the Vikramaditya and the new Vikrant into service in the early 2020s. It will be much larger than both its sister vessels. The displacement of the Vishal will exceed 65,000 metric tonnes, against the 40,000 metric tonnes of its two predecessors. In 2010, Chief of Staff of the Indian Navy Admiral Nirmal Kumar Verma announced that the future ship would be a “large aircraft carrier capable of hosting fighters, AWACS aircraft, [tactical flying] tankers, and other hardware.â€

    The technical specification automatically does away with STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery), adopted for the Vikramaditya and the new Vikrant, because the deployment of flying radars and tankers on board requires a fully operational CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take-Off But Arrested Recovery) system, functionally similar to the U.S. super carriers and France’s Charles de Gaulle. But it is not ruled out that the vessel will feature a combined scheme: the ramp in the bow will be supplemented by a catapult on the corner deck, as contained in the blueprint of the unfinished Soviet Ulyanovsk.

    Such a ship would transform India into an aircraft carrier superpower: even Britain, for example, cannot afford CATOBAR. Looking ahead to the potential of the Indian Navy on completion of the program, we can draw the following conclusions:

    India’s already overwhelming naval superiority over Pakistan, whose forces are being degraded, will turn into absolute supremacy.

    Even in its current form, India’s aircraft carrier programme looks more ambitious than China’s, which (at least for now) relies on refitting the Liaoning aircraft carrier (the former Varyag) with J-15 fighters (pirated from the Su-33). The availability of two 40,000-tonne carriers capable of hosting more than 40 MiG-29Ks (nominally 16 per ship) and approximately 20 helicopters gives the Indian Navy a significant advantage over the 60,000-tonne Liaoning with 18-20 J-15s (nominally 12 maximum). Accommodating more aircraft on board the Chinese carrier poses difficulties: like the Su-33, the J-15 is heavy and sizeable. Moreover, the superior strike capability of the Chinese jet is neutralized by the larger number of Indian fighters, as well as the higher-grade workmanship of the Indian Navy’s Russian-built escort vessels.

    In possession of a third aircraft carrier with a displacement of over 60,000 tonnes and with a more numerous air group (up to 40 MiG-29K class Rafale and Tejas aircraft), India will secure at least parity, and possibly superiority, even if the Chinese Navy puts into service three ships armed with J-15s. The balance of power will shift only if China either introduces a more carrier-based (compared to the Su-33/J-15) fighter, which is no trivial matter, or constructs a carrier in the mould of the U.S. 100,000-tonners, capable of carrying a large group of heavy fighters. The second option, besides the greater technical complexity, will invariably provoke a strong reaction from the U.S., making a military alliance with India almost inevitable. As a result, China will either settle for equilibrium with India, or prepare for full-scale open confrontation at sea with the world’s leading military power.

    The makings of a Indian naval power | idrw.org
     
  2. sam2012

    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    INS Vishalshould be built in Pipanav shipyard not in Kochi or any govt shipyard to avoid delay
     
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    WMD Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    At first when i read the thread heading, i was like [​IMG]

    but seriously, this article doesn't specify anything besides what is published many times.
    i remember the decision on the 2nd indigenous carrier was to b taken in last Nov/Dec.
    i also posted the thread, AFAIK there is no more official confirmation since then.
    the displacement and type of the carrier as said in the the above article is probably true as said many times.
    but till now there is no official confirmation.
     
  4. Badbadman

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    Induction time is so late early 2020's plus the famous Indian delay would become early 2030's. By that time bangladesh would have a carrier battle group. Construction needs to be handed out to private companies with a government watch.
     
  5. jonas

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    Well you do have to take this with a pinch of salt,after all the article is from a Russian defence source. It would appear that even they are now trying to placate India due to the never ending delays concerning the carrier programme.

    When you read some of the claims in this article,particularly in regards to the Chinese carrier v the Indian programme it is so blatantly trying to curry favour with India it is almost comical.

    For goodness sake India,you need to pour more money and skills in your own indigenous military programmes. If necessary divert cash from your space programme,it might be good for national pride but it is the basic needs of defence you want.

    Someone needs to get a grip on the defence sector,clear out all the dead wood,bureaucracy and corruption and give it a fresh start.
    You have the skills,you have the labour force,all you need is someone with a clear vision of what is needed to be done.

    At the moment your defence procurement is a mess,every programme seems to be delayed for one reason or another,when it need to be forging ahead.
     
  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    idrw.org articles are often only aimed on sensation making, not on real journalism, so should be taken with caution always.
     
  7. Tantrika

    Tantrika 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Genius it not published in IRDW.org see the back references its clearly mentioned voice of Russia and it replicated in Russian and Indian reports then how you come into such conclusions?.
     
  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Because the content is the the same unreliable stuff that IRDW always come up with. A Russian "expert" that is claiming things about IN, which sounds sensational, because it suits his / their purpose:

    This for example is only a Russian idea and has no relevance to INs plans at all. If the US had allowed it, even IAC 1 would have had catapults. When you want good a good source for infos, or news which are based on real journalism you don't choose IRDW.org.
     
  9. Gessler

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    CSL will deliver IAC-1 after 2050. We can start building IAC 2 after that.
     
  10. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    LAAD 2013: DCNS unveils Brazilian carrier design - News - Shephard

    DCNS is offering an adapted version of its PA2 design for a future Brazilian aircraft carrier.

    A model of a 60,000t displacement 285m-long PA2 carrier is being shown by the company at the LAAD exhibition in Rio de Janeiro.

    Eric Perrot, DCNS surface ships project director, told Shephard that the Brazilian Navy had plans to acquire one or two new aircraft carriers to replace their existing carrier, NAe Sao Paulo, after 2025.

    The Brazilian Navy released a request for proposals (RfP) in 2012 for specifications for aircraft carriers and Perrot said that DCNS along with several other companies had responded with the PA2 design. He said that because in the past Brazil had purchased second-hand carriers, a specifications outline had not been required until now.

    Perrot noted that following the collapse of the BAE Systems-DCNS collaboration on aircraft carrier design, the French company had continued the design work and produced the PA2 design with conventional propulsion and a catapult assisted launch and recovery system.

    [​IMG]

    ‘From the French side, we see the future is with the catapult system and the Brazilian Navy has a history of using catapult-launched aircraft,’ Perrot said.

    The Brazilian Navy operates the A-4 Skyhawk carrier-based aircraft, which are being upgraded by Embraer, but long-term the aircraft will be replaced. However, it is not expected to select a replacement until the Brazilian Air Force has chosen its next generation fighter under the FX-2 project. The three choices for FX-2 are the F-18, Rafale, and the Gripen.

    ‘Because two of those three have carrier variants available it makes sense for the navy to wait until the air force has chosen its FX-2 aircraft and then base its own decision on this,’ Perrot said.

    The Clemenceau-class aircraft carrier Sao Paulo was originally in French Navy service as the Foch and entered Brazilian service in 2000. The 32,800t ship completed an upgrade programme in 2011 and although it is not expected to be replaced until well into the next decade, initial work will have to begin now.

    Perrot believes that similar to its submarine and surface ship programmes, the Brazilian Navy will want to build its new ships domestically, with support from experienced international companies to develop an industrial base to carry out this work.

    The decision to proceed with the RfP is awaiting governmental approval.
     
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    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Where is the first IAC?
     
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    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    Being Manufactered
     
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    India has gained lot of experience in building vessels indigenously....
    so i dont think soo that there might be delays..........
     
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