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Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) News & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by CONNAN, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    This is an excellent news. A follow-on order for the IAC-1 should be given ASAP.

    IAC-1A or IAC1 mk 2. They should test out more tonnage, baseline the tech for the next series. Nuclear or not.

    Chief engineers from CSL have been telling this to NAVY for the past 3 years.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I had always told you guys that there will be another carrier of same type as IAC-1 with minor modifications. One thing is sure that IAC-2 will be CATOBAR. BUT wait. Let LSA find traction. For USD 15Billion budget of IN for 57 aircraft, I am making them a proposal of 60 aircraft more capable than Rafale-M and an aircraft carrier free.
     
  4. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    They are talking about IAC 2 and general ship building, not about another IAC1. At the end of the day, it's capability that counts and not the number of carriers alone.

    Get catapults
    Design AMCA as a carrier fighter
    Design IAC2 around AMCA.

    That's the only way we will see capable carriers in future.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Going in for EMALS will be a disaster for IN. A steam CAT with COGAS propulsion is best for IN today. Let us keep super carriers away for another 15 years which will use Nuke propulsion with EMALS and AAG.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Doesn't matter what kind of catapults, as long as IAC2 gets them. IN doesn't need super carriers.
     
  7. ranadd

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    CSL wants to retain talent and hence capability.

    Please visit the facility, there is no space to put anything there. You expect them to keep all the jigs, fixtures etc for a one off ship? Again, IN have build capability through increments.

    And what about worker contracts? How are you expecting them to extend it?
     
  8. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    That's why IAC2 will be following as soon as possible, to retain know how, but you can't build another expensive carrier to keep workers. They will be shifted to other productions and projects or left off.
     
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    They are talking about IAC2 not Vikrant. They want next ship 65k ton and funds are available. No reason to go back to IAC1.

    So? Navy should spend on something they don't want?

    If you go by the talks, It will be build by multiple shipyards in blocks. Just like QEC build by UK.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    This is how you kill capacity, these are not going to be unskilled labourers and when it comes time to start building the IAC-2 it will take time to build up the skilled manpwoer again.
     
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  11. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Not at all, because we don't stop carrier building in India, we just move on to the next level.
    Keep producing unnecessary things is why we kept producing Jags till 2008, only because we could, not because they are useful.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Unless another IAC-1/Vikrant class is ordered there will be a 6-7 year gap from when Vikrant enters sea trails and work on IAC-2 commences, unless the workforce are employed on relevant projects during that time you will be starting from scratch when work on IAC-2 has to commence.
     
  13. Sancho

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    That's the production gap, but the know how of IAC1 will obviously be used in the development of IAC2. It would be silly to not use common parts or internal designs.
    Similarly, we will use the development and production experience, to make things better with the IAC2.
    The workers as said will largely diverted to other projects or layer off, which is not a problem either, since that are not high level jobs.
     
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    My friend..

    That's not how engineering projects work. You are completely wrong. Anywhere on the planet.

    Also, in Indian context, shipping industry does not have the capacity to meet the stated requirements. How will they "hold"? Do you know how expensive that will end up? Retool and Rejig process in shipping in time consuming. Have you wondered why Indian ships have multiple launches?

    When you say "Similarly, we will use the development and production experience, to make things better with the IAC2."? Do you know in ship building how that works? Or even in aeronautics? If now you say, yes and you work in ship building. Then you were trained wrong and you waste tonnes of customer money.

    Lots of contract labors are there. And what about general employee attrition?

    Edit: I will agree with all that you say if you say in your premise, the customer is paying during the production gap. Otherwise no. The vendors are not responsible for that amount.
     
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  15. Sancho

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    Is it? Take a look at our helicopter developments. Be it LCH, LUH or IMRH, all are based on the know how and experience of the Dhruv project, most of them even uses common parts or designs.
    FMBT is meant to be based on Arjun development as well right?
    French SSK subs are based on the know how and experience of their SSN/SSBN developments, the latest versions are even spin offs with conventional propulsion in different sizes and that without producing a single SSK for them.
    So it's actually quite common to use available know how and even common parts into new projects.

    But the main point was, that these are arms and techs developed for defence requirements and not a job creation program. We won't pay millions or billions for another carrier without operational use or benefits, just to keep some workers in job.
     

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