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Indo-Pak War of 1965

Discussion in 'Military History' started by THE_MAGNIFICENT, Jun 22, 2010.

  1. illuminati

    illuminati Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I'll second that, there are some Hindu rights on the other side as well. Best let logic and reason prevail. Just to keep remembering history, we don't really have to keep reliving it.

    Partition was badly conducted, millions lost their lives but it's time both sides move on.
     
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  2. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Yes and that in turn can cost them everything.



    Disagree. Your army initially didnt take any responsibility. They always maintained that kargil was an attempt by some terrorists only and no regular PA soldiers were involved. This is one of the main reasons why Indian forces never crossed LoC. Later we got enough proof of direct PA involvement and during this time your PM ran to USA for help. Had it been regular fight from the starting, IAF would have been all over the sky.


    So why didnt they use them??



    very weired logic. PA started the war and then they saved both the nations from a nuclear war?? Nope. It was India who saved us from a nuclear war. We didnt violate LoC even after having clear proof of PA involvement. US saved pakistan from getting totally annihilated.



    When a smaller country attacks a bigger one then it does that on its own risk. One cant blame bigger country for retaliating massively.


    Chal 45.78% :wink:



    Obviously it was our Win. We ended a threat from one side of our borders. I say....a huge win.
     
  3. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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  4. Optimist

    Optimist Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Guys, plz do not puncture the pseudo pride:sarcastic: of our friends from across the border.:to_pick_ones_nose:
     
  5. theeternallaw13

    theeternallaw13 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    u can assure me????
    buddy afaik u ain't president of the islamic republic of pakistan so i don;t know why u are giving statement like him...
     
  6. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    well lets see... would you like to ask the owner of jihad watch website if he's the president of the Islamic republic? :crazy:
     
  7. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    same damage could be dealt.. my question... would you risk it?

    Well do you not remember how the Mig got shot down in Kargil? this is without PAF presence. Without any PA SAMs or radar systems present. Just low level Anza Mk. Given PAF had some F-16s with AIM-7s,and the old Mirages and F-7P/PGs, air war wouldn't be a total IAF success story.

    maintaining that armed forces had nothing to do with Kargil and no full scale war. Americans would have taken action if Pakistan was using them on the offensive.

    You say Pakistan would have been annihilated? you are missing a piece of the picture mate.... both sides had nukes... if anyone was to be annihilated, the other side would be too.

    disagree...US has no side here. If they were trying to save us, we would have seen no sanctions, no embargoes, allowed us to utilize F-16s. Yes they feared nuclear war in the region.
    agreed.
    but you've ignored my point, size should be taken into account.

    Win for yourself only? not for the MB? not for separatists?

    anyway... we settled this... 1971 was an obvious win.
     
  8. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    hahaha!!! well... lets see... objective was to get Muslim majority parts of Kashmir. Objective complete.
    India's objective... regain whole of Kashmir from the armed tribesmen and tiny PA. Objective failed.

    Well lets see?
    We are talking about a stalemate, why are you not talking about the situation that saw the war come to an end?
    Lahore was successfully defended, neither side was going anywhere.

    You clearly have no clue about the political landscape of Pakistan during Kargil.
    Full scale war would have seen PA openly fighting and not minor ops against full assault within their territory from IA.
    Wont be so quick to say what you said.

    :lol:
    balanced person? I've known you for a while mate. lol
     
  9. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Obviously. We just cant keep on respecting one treaty when many are broken by the Pakistan.



    So you wanna say that none of your planes will be shot by IA Sams or radar system present?? None of your PAF aircraft was taken out because they were not participating in it. Do you expect Indian Sam systems to take out anti-aircraft guns?? :crazy:


    Even when it was detected we didnt cross LoC. It could have escalated the war. US intervention stopped us taking the war to a higher level hereby saving Pakistan.


    Size does matter :wink:. Loss to the India would have been huge but not total annihilation.

    US put sanctions because you started an unnecessary war. They saved you from total annihilation and India from a great disaster.

    Our debate was on how an offensive country can be on the defensive side. I am totally taking size into account.


    They have their share of victory as well. They got a new country while we got a non-hostile Border.

    :agree:

    bahut jaldi reply kar diya maine :mrgreen:
     
  10. American Sage

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    Most critics agree that 1965 conflict was a STALEMATE for most part.
     
  11. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    I cant believe this debate is still on
     
  12. naveenp

    naveenp 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Kargil war occurred bcz of PA occupied empty Indian posts. if pakistan turned Kargil into full scale war....i cant imagine it will result more bad to pakistan..1965,.1971 and Kargil was clear victory.
     
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  13. Midn8illusion

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    IAF vs PAF =D
     
  14. Blackwater

    Blackwater Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    in 1947 this man Lt gen harbax singh stopped pak tribal fighters to capture kashmir fully. He even told Nehru to allow him to captured back whole Kashmir from pakistani tribal fighters but Nehru showed his a.s.s and fled to UN.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. tangocharlie

    tangocharlie Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    We have all problems related are due to Nehru, If Gandhiji would not allow him to be the Prime Minister of India and appoint Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel who knows we are ahead of China and could be the dominate power in Asia Pacific region.
     

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