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Indo-Russian supersonic missile threatens China’s security

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by lca-fan, Mar 3, 2017.

  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Indo-Russian supersonic missile threatens China’s security
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    During security consultations held in Beijing on February 21, China and Russia agreed on enhancing communication and collaboration on arms control and non-proliferation and reinforcing their comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination – the highest level of diplomatic engagement for China.

    Behind the curtain of Sino-Russian officialdom, however, words do not reflect the facts. The Kremlin is in fact continuing to arm India and, through military cooperation with Delhi, other Chinese adversaries in the Indo-Pacific region – a dynamic that once again questions the real substance of the much-trumpeted entente between the Chinese dragon and the Russian bear.

    Apart from the huge amount of lethal weapons that Moscow keeps selling to Delhi, the Indo-Russian duo is also moving forward with the buildup of sophisticated weapons in concert. And to China’s dismay, these jointly developed arm systems will not only beef up the Indian armed forces’ capabilities, but those of other Asian-Pacific countries as well.


    BrahMos’ Upgrading

    In particular, China’s People’s Liberation Army will have to monitor developments regarding the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile and its possible impact on geopolitical hot spots such as the Himalayan region, the eastern Indian Ocean and the South China Sea, where Beijing’s strategic interests overlap with those of India and a number of Southeast Asian neighbors.

    BrahMos is one of the world’s fastest anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles. It has been co-developed by India’s Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Russia’s Machine-Building Research and Development Consortium, which launched the BrahMos Aerospace joint venture in 1998, and has a range of 290 kilometers. An upgraded variant of this cruise projectile, with a range of 450km, will be tested on March 10.

    At the recent Aero India exhibition, DRDO chairman S Christopher said a further version of BrahMos was under development. In his words, it will be capable of hitting a target 800km away and be ready for production within two and a half years.

    BrahMos can currently be launched only from land or sea, but Delhi and Moscow are test-firing a new variant mounted on the Su-30 MKI fighter aircraft. If testing proves successful, it will probably be inducted by the Indian Air Force this year. Furthermore, in the Indo-Russian plans, a lighter version of BrahMos will be integrated on Russia’s fifth-generation T-50 PAK FA fighter jet once operational, according to Russian sources.

    Among other advantages, BrahMos’ improvements would strengthen India’s ability to penetrate deep into China’s (and Pakistan’s) territory, which has already been ramped up with the purchase of five Russian-built S-400 long-range air defense missile systems.


    BrahMos in the South China Sea

    It is now emerging, however, that China could end up grappling with BrahMos’ significant potential in the South China Sea, as some littoral countries in the area that are locked in territorial disputes with Beijing have reportedly shown interest in acquiring the Indo-Russian supersonic cruise missile.

    Moscow’s approval is required for the sale of BrahMos missiles. An informal go-ahead in this regard was given by Alexander Leonov, chief executive of the Machine-Building Research and Development Consortium, on January 27, when he stressed that Russia and India might start exporting BrahMos cruise missiles to third countries.

    BrahMos Aerospace spokesman Praveen Pathak recently upheld Leonov’s comments. Speaking to Russia’s Sputnik News at Aero India, he revealed that seven countries equipped with Su-30s, including some from the Asia-Pacific region, would be keen to buy BrahMos missiles. And all clues point to Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia, which all have Su-30 fighters in their fleets. Last year, Russian news agency TASS singled out the Philippines, Singapore and Thailand as other potential Southeast Asian buyers of BrahMos projectiles.

    Hanoi and Kuala Lumpur are both claimants to islands in the South China Sea, along with the Philippines, Taiwan and Brunei, while Jakarta has a more neutral position on the territorial row against mainland China there. Still, Chinese claims to waters around the Indonesian archipelago of Natuna prompted Jakarta to stage military exercises off these islands last autumn.

    In this context, Indian arms sales to Vietnam are of particular concern to China. Indeed, India has been in talks on selling its Akash missile defense system to the Vietnamese government, in what would be Delhi’s first ever missile transfer to a foreign nation; but it is actually BrahMos’ export to Hanoi that would heighten the level of confrontation with Beijing.


    Challenging China’s patience

    India’s arms-sale approach toward Southeast Asia is consistent with its “Look East” policy, devised to deepen economic and security cooperation in the region to counter China’s growing clout. The Russian contribution to this scheme is apparently contradictory because of its close relations with Beijing, but Moscow appears willing to run the risk of irritating its Chinese “strategic partner” in order to increase arms sales, which are Russia’s only export driver along with natural resources, and the triangulation with India could help the Kremlin expand its presence in the Southeast Asian security market.

    Until now China has been largely silent on Russia’s “defense affairs” with India, at least officially. It remains to be seen how long Beijing will tolerate this situation, especially if its contenders in the South China Sea start to amass more lethal and cutting-edge Indo-Russian arms in their warehouses.
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  2. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Now china has problem with Russia too. They are wary of Russian weapons sale to India and other nations having borders and disputes with China. Oh the insecure feeling of Chinese comrades. :lol::lol::lol:

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    Aap kare to chamatkar , hum kare toh balaatkaar - Part 2!
    The Chinese arming Pakistan with all kind of lethal weapons was kosher.The Indians arming China's rivals are haraam.

    Basically the Ruskies & Indians should bend over and say " ithe choom lo!"
     
  4. Levina

    Levina Admin- Social media Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    I don't believe what media posts. Chinese banks are helping Russian state companies outlive Western sanctions.
    Russia is treading carefully.
    At this stage both China and Russia don't want to upset each other. They do seem to have reached some kind of understanding.
     
  5. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    It's a temporary marriage of convenience; nothing more, nothing less. Both are waiting for the moment they don't need the other, and would turn on each other in a heartbeat. They have unresolved issues and tensions since the 1960's.
     
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    Levina Admin- Social media Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Yes, Chinese believe "only in shake hands and not hugs".
    But for now they are friends.
     
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    They don't have any unresolved issues just a trust deficit . Russia would not like to be under China's thumb & China won't tolerate a Russia seeking parity .All the remaining issues regarding Russia occupying Chinese lands in the far east & Russia's fears of Chinese illegal / legal migrants undermining their demographic profile is for the future - post 2050.Not today.
     
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  8. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    That's really not all there is to it, and that's not how tensions work, whether they admit them or not, and whether they temporarily set them aside or not, the truth is the Russians and Chinese have certain unresolved tensions and issues from the Cold War Era, and considering the types of countries involved here, it's really only a matter of time until the differences can't be ignored anymore.

    With reducing American influence in the world, Russia and China will also be robbed of their only common enemy which is currently pushing them closer to each other.
     
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    You just CANNOT write off the Americans that easily....The Influence of China will DEFINITELY keep rising....But atleast for the foreseeable future the Americans are here to stay.

    :)


    And again...The Russians and The Chinese are way too smart to fight each other off just to end up significantly taxing themselves...
     
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    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    I never said the Americans are going anywhere, and it is very much in the world's interest that they don't; but American influence will not be what it once was.

    As for the Chinese and Russians, they honestly aren't as smart as you're giving them credit for, both are prone to pretty stupid moves and massive "self goals." Only question is whether their adversaries are able to capitalize on this or not.
     
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  11. Nilgiri

    Nilgiri Lieutenant GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Ah China, when will you realise you are part of the merry go round too and learn to enjoy yourself rather than thinking you alone cannot get dizzy :D

     
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    If there is real noise coming from CCP, then it will be fun to watch. This will be the real test of China Russia relationship. If they are really allies or otherwise. I wonder if Russia will compromise her financial interests for China or if China will part with more of her precious forex reserve for Russia.
     
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    Nilgiri Lieutenant GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Well the key issue is India has what it needs whatever Russia chooses hehe. India can take things forwards by itself should it need to.

    Remember every bit of materials RnD (which is what fundamentally governs RnD pace overall in the military and high tech realm) has been coarsely charted at minimum by ISRO, DMRL, BARC and GTRE....and they have put up more detailed networks in various areas too (where it was most appropriate etc).

    Accelerated RnD development streams for India have been and are continued to be offered by two key countries: Israel and France should they be required (though Israel would need permission of the US in many cases). I can offer evidence of this if its required. To a lesser degree, Germany and Japan can also be approached.

    India is not in a pickle as far as I can see. China may try its best in this endeavour to try give celebratory optics and a doggie-treat for its cherished pet terrier :p ....but deep down they know too many bridges have been traversed by India and would still remain open to India with or without Russian cooperation to make any permanent strategic difference long term.

    @Vergennes @Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @Hellfire

    Btw is there a limit to how many people we can tag in this forum out of interest?
     
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  14. Levina

    Levina Admin- Social media Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    No.
    It's perfectly okay to invite as many ppl to your party.
    We believe in FoS and FoE.lolz
     
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    So long Russia is in economic mess that they are in, they will gladly sell their wares. Also, IIRC, China quite openly stated that Su-35S will be the last plane they will buy from Russia. So now I can see that:

    1. They are not buying Subs, they make their own.
    2. They are not buying planes, they make their own.
    3. May be they will buy SAMs and BDMs.

    Putin knows which side of the bread has butter. Lastly, Russia is a net importer from China and net exporter to India.
     
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