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Iran Is to India as Pakistan Is to the U.S.

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  1. InfoWarrior

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    By Stanley Weiss

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    NEW DELHI — Tourists flying into this ancient city are sometimes surprised to find their descent re-routed at the last minute by the presence of an 86-foot bronze statue that sits at the end of a runway. The giant icon depicts none other than Lord Shiva, one of Hinduism’s most popular and powerful gods. Known alternatively as the destroyer and the creator, family man and hermit, teacher and warrior, kind herdsman and wrathful avenger — Shiva is, like India itself, a perfect symbol of contradictions.

    This is a country that has a middle class larger than the entire population of the United States — and yet, despite ongoing controversy over India’s poverty numbers, at least 350 million Indians live on about 50 cents a day. Its population includes roughly 160 million Muslims — and yet, it is the world’s largest importer of Israeli weapons. And while U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said last year that the relationship between the U.S. and India will shape the 21st century — this “true friend” of the U.S. imports more oil from America’s sworn enemy, Iran, than any other nation.

    It is the issue of oil that has put India’s unique friendship with the U.S., Iran and Israel under an intense spotlight. Under a new U.S. law designed to use oil to pressure Iran into ending a nuclear program that Israel and the West believe is dangerous, countries that do not significantly reduce their imports of Iranian oil by June 28 can be denied access to the U.S. financial system. India, which imports roughly 10 percent of its oil from Iran, denounced the strong-armed tactics and announced that it would not abide by the sanctions. Since then, Delhi has devised creative new financing vehicles independent of Western banks to help Indian refineries continue to engage Tehran.

    “The mood in the U.S. is turning into: you are either for us or against us,” the Indian Foreign Secretary, H.E. Ranjan Mathai, told me in his office. “The problem is that the U.S. has made rules which complicate normal life. Some people have to do their own calculations and we have to do ours.”

    No country in history has ever faced the epic human challenge of managing a country of 1.2 billion people, where at least one in three rural residents and one in five urban dwellers live in abject poverty. Supplying the energy needs of an economy expected to grow from $4.5 trillion in 2012 to $86 trillion in terms of purchasing power parity by 2050 — at a time when half a billion Indians live without electricity, instead relying on petroleum-based kerosene for light, heat and cooking — is daunting itself. Complicating matters is that many of India’s refineries are designed only to process the type of light crude oil Iran sells, and retrofitting takes time and costs a fortune.

    “We have to be pragmatic about it,” a senior government official says to me. “Our policy is to seek energy from all possible sources including Africa, Venezuela and Indonesia. But 70 percent of India’s oil comes from the Gulf — Saudi Arabia and Iran. Energy is a factor of daily life and there would be chaos if Iran shut us off.”

    India is new to these kinds of loyalty litmus tests. In the six decades since it gained its independence from Britain, New Delhi has famously pursued a policy of strategic neutrality. Jawaharlal Nehru, India’s first prime minister, even co-founded the Non-Aligned Movement during the Cold War, made up of states not formally aligned with any great power (even though, in practice, India leaned heavily toward the Soviet Union after the U.S. started to arm India’s enemy, Pakistan, in 1954 to contain communism).

    But for a country that aspires to great power status, which actively seeks a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, the Iranian oil crisis is India’s first great test of the 21st century: can a true world leader be non-aligned in a globalized world? Is it really possible to be a “true friend” to two sworn enemies?

    “This can’t be a test of our friendship,” the former Indian Ambassador to the United States, Lalit Mansingh, has said. “Washington must realize that we are in a neighborhood where Iran is a factor.”

    “Iran has a border with at least 12 countries which the U.S., China and India can’t ignore,” says a top Indian official. “The geographic reality is that Iran is a land power on the other side of Pakistan, and (because Pakistan has not allowed open trade between Afghanistan and India) it is our only land access to Afghanistan and West Asia — which we use to support goods to Kabul. The whole northern shore of the Persian Gulf is also Iran. We don’t look at Iran as either/or, but from an economic and political view. It has an importance, full stop — on energy, geographic reality, and as a Gulf power.”

    While India works with Iran, some say, partnership should not be confused with friendship.

    “India doesn’t like the Iranian regime or Iran, and it’s a political headache,” the former Indian Foreign Secretary, Kanwal Sibal, tells me. “We talk a lot about civilizational connections, but it’s nonsense. Iran has never been a friend of India, ever. The only thing the relationship rests on is energy.” Indian political analyst Subhash Agrawal adds, “If we could find a substitute for energy, we would walk away from them. India doesn’t want to be with Iran, but who is there to give us oil? We would never choose to have a relationship with this type of unstable and reactionary regime.”

    As the June 28th deadline quickly approaches, what should the U.S. do? First, the White House should publicly affirm its wider support and friendship with India. Second, it should recognize that India has already reduced its imports from Iran from 16.4 percent in 2008 to 10.3 percent today, and grant India a waiver — as it has to 10 other countries, including Japan — to give it more time to meet further reductions. Third, the U.S. should help India secure financing and expertise to retrofit its refineries to enable them to process more than just Iranian oil.

    In many ways, Iran is to India as Pakistan is to the United States: an uneasy marriage with an unstable partner that is borne of necessity more than affection, which New Delhi — like Washington — would give up in a heartbeat if there was any real alternative. Legend has it that Lord Shiva was never more powerful than when he was dancing. Time will tell if the same may be said of India.

    Stanley A. Weiss is Founding Chairman of Business Executives for National Security, a nonpartisan organization based in Washington. This is a personal comment.

    Stanley Weiss
    Founding Chairman, Business Executives for National Security
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    Iran might be friendly towards us, but it get's its deals on a mutual respect and money, it is not the same as Pakistan, which will bend over backwards for USA.
    Let me get one thing straight, Pakistan from day one went whoring around for anyone to help them Conquer or destroy "Hindu India" .
    So when First PM Jawaharlal Nehru asked for help from USA to establish MIT like institutions, Pakistan was prostrating itself before USA to let it walk all over.

    Therefore,to compare Iran and India's relation is a joke, when Pakistan and USA follow the "Master (USA) and Slave (Pakistan) relationship.

    How did this Western White idiot thought to Associate " Lord Shiva " into India-Iran and Pakistan-USA relations?

    That is why i discard huffington post news, it is a portal of FemiNazis. I don't understand why they were allowed to open a India branch to peddle their daily brain washing of LGBT,Snowflakes ,Pedophiles etc.
     
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    He is not white but Jewish. Weiss is a surname of German Askanezi Jew. He is pro Israel and Iran wants to destroy Israel, So he hates Iran just like we hate Pakistan. I bet these people are behind recent shipment of US crude to India, they want to finish Iran influence in India.
     
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    Do i need to tell you, how jews became white after Irish became white?
    So what if he's jewish, Ardent haters of Hindus are Jewish people, look around all Left Western Professors Audrey Truschke, Wendy Donninger, a lot of surnames can be seen like Mann,Ziki, ovski etc. other than Weiss, These jews adopted such surnames during WW2 to escape Gestapo as they say, but George Soros was a jew sending all fellow jews to Gas chambers and snatching all their properties and money. Nobody accuses George Soros of being a NAZI or a Anti-Semitist?



    Every critic and insulter of Hinduism happens to be a jew or of that background.

    Why target Hindus and Sanatana Dharma? because we gave refuge to Persecuted Christians,jews and later Arabs. We made a mistake of "Athidi Devo Bhava" to anyone.
    We did not to persecute Jews like the rest of the world did (Maybe we should have) because only in strife do people understand meaning of freedom. What do we Hindus get in return for our Generosity of taking in persecuted people through ages?

    Only we get persecuted in return!

    1)Syrian Christians came to our country as refugees and now they insult our country,religion,gods who gave them refuge in the first place.

    2)Jews came a little bit after Christians, we gave them shelter,refuge, only to be spitted on our faces now and denigrate and insult the very same thing which helped them survive.

    3) King Zamorin of Calicut gave land to make the Second mosque to Arab traders, and later got them married to locals and they were called 'Mappilla' (Son-in-law). How did these people pay their returns? by rebelling and joining Tipu sultans army and any Anti-Hindu agitation like " Khilafat Movement".
    Where the " Mappila Riots , Moplah riots(as per Hindi)
    http://janasangh.com/jsart.aspx?stid=153"

    We paid a heavy price for it, no more shall we have "Athidi Devo Bhava". It will be a "Ashwamedha and Rajasuya Yagna" in future.
    I am mighty impressed with Chanakya, you also need to see what India will become if we let too many Mlecchas into our nation. So unless and until the persecuted are Dharmic, Bharat should not intervene. If it's Dharmic go full out and protect it. "If a country of 1 Billion Hindus cannot protect Dharma then who will" ?
     
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    When you start reading a piece and it begin with factual errors like poverty numbers and who is shiva. Then its better to stop immediately rather than consuming another cocky narrative.
     
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    Iran has a lot of problems with Pakistan, just like Afghanistan. We are natural allies
     
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    I agree that some Jews have dislike and agenda against Hinduism probably because of Swastika, Nazi, Hitler etc. If you go to Israel it is as orthodox as Wahabi Saudi Arabia. They don't tolerate Hinduism, but they suppress their intolerance. Because we buy weapons in large quantities and support Israel. We Indians wrested their traditional diamond and jewellery business.

    How Indian families took over the Antwerp diamond trade from orthodox Jews
    https://qz.com/459422/how-indian-families-took-over-the-antwerp-diamond-trade-from-orthodox-jews/

    This movie Blood Diamond 2006 was their veiled propaganda against Indian diamond trade.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450259/
    See how they portray a Indian actor Deepak Chopra in movie


    This was the whole purpose of the movie., to show that blood diamonds go to India for polishing.


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    Oppenheimer who created Atomic bomb was also a Askenazi jew. Some Jew are attracted to Hindu philosophy.

    Oppenheimer's diverse interests sometimes interrupted his focus on science. In 1933 he learned Sanskrit and met the Indologist Arthur W. Ryder at Berkeley. He read the Bhagavad Gita in the original Sanskrit, and later he cited it as one of the books that most shaped his philosophy of life.[54] His close confidant and colleague, Nobel Prize winner Isidor Rabi, later gave his own interpretation:

    Oppenheimer was over-educated in those fields, which lie outside the scientific tradition, such as his interest in religion, in the Hindu religion in particular, which resulted in a feeling of mystery of the universe that surrounded him like a fog. He saw physics clearly, looking toward what had already been done, but at the border he tended to feel there was much more of the mysterious and novel than there actually was … [he turned] away from the hard, crude methods of theoretical physics into a mystical realm of broad intuition.

    Oppenheimer was also a communist.

    Two days before the Trinity test, Oppenheimer expressed his hopes and fears in a quotation from the Bhagavad Gita:

    In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains,
    On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows,
    In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame,
    The good deeds a man has done before defend him.
     
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    This George soros was just 14 years old, More like a victim of circumstance. I have no problem with India becoming a Hindu state or driving out the Mlechs, But Orthodox Manuwadi types who target poor and backward Hindu tribes like Daleets should be disowned by all Hindus. Any preist who indulges indulges in this rigid orthodox tribal behavior should be banned from all temples. Plus a fair distribution of land and resources between all Hindu tribes, this will be followed by end of reservations.

    Without these things there will not be any sense of equality among all sections of Hindus, and India will remain a secular country. This is the bare minmum that needs to be done to consolidate Hinduism. BJP governments will soon suffer anti-incumbency, Next time a Left government like congress comes to power, things will go beyond recovery.
     
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    Don't play that he was just a kid card, he very well knew what he was doing as he said in the Interview.He made the choice to collaborate with Nazis for money.
    There are no Manuwadi types now,it is a bogey played out by Secular especially Communists whose idea is to make Hindus hate their religion and embrace Communism,These Communist idiots failed to make Russians lose their Christian identity and that's how USSR fell, they tried the same in India during 60's failed and are now almost extinct. Other than communists and mullahs no one talks or plays the Manuwadi card nowadays.

    Rest assured a Left government particularly Congress will never come to power,Every Hindu knows the extent of damage Vatican agent Sonia Gandhi caused to Hinduism, in this age of Social Media,it is people who control the agenda it is not set by MSM as earlier and it was touted as gospel truth making masses believe and vote for Congress.Times have changed, SM united all Hindus and it will only lead to more consolidation and increase in voting percentage,Secularism is as good as dead now.
     
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    It is not Jews alone but every westerner were fascinated and with Hinduism,because it was the oldest civilization still living, What they do in return after learning its arts is what needs to be discussed, all Westerners after learning vedas appropriated them as their teachings as Neitzsche etc.
    The trend continues even today, Westerners come to India to learn Yoga,Vedas,Sanskrit and go back to write blasphemy against Hindu religion or fabricate vedas as their own intellectual works without giving due credit to India or Vedas. In short all these max muellers etc. were jealous of the amount of information regarding Mind,body and soul.god and Universe was present and written in Hindu philosophy and scriptures,therefore even Hitler appropriated Swastika and created a fictional race called Aryans.
     
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    Don't know why this SOB idiot dragged Lord Shiva in this article.....
     
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