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Is a 10,000 gun strong artillery force feasible and affordable?

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by A_poster, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. A_poster

    A_poster Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    This ides was floated by some army officers some time back. Induct very high number of guns (in excess of 10,000) and flatten everything in area of operation before sending infantry and armor. This was said to akin to method Russia employed during last phase of WWII.

    Is this method logistically feasible?
    Could we afford such a large artillery force,even if it is feasible?
    Could automation overcome shortage of gunners that would arise from a very large artillery corps?
     
  2. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I'll leave the feasibility question for others, but I really don't know if we'd have that sort of time to flatten everything then move in. Not to mention, a big part of our offensive plan seems to be quick, incisive movements with a surprise element; I imagine that would all be lost if we flatten everything first, and wherever we finally make contact, the enemy would be prepared and dug in.

    I personally feel a speedy, well coordinated, highly synergized campaign with artillery, armored columns and overwhelming air power would be the way to go.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    More like 6,000 guns of all type. [Excluding Air Defence Artillery ].
     
  4. Skull and Bones

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    Anyone know which model is this? Anyway, this seems a feasible design to mount a 105 mm gun on a light armored wheeled truck. Perfect for mobility, and shoot and scoot.
     
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    HariPrasad 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    10000 is too much. Do we want to fire artillery shell in place of bullet? Its ammunition shall expire time to time and we shall have to replenish it new one.

    Infact what we need is light artillery so that we may use it as and when we require them at different place. With light artillery, we can manage with fewer guns than actual need.
     
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    and after every 30-40 years find replacement for 10,000 guns!? Get locked into older models while enemy can upgrade easily and be more advance.

    What a nightmarish scenario. Why do we want to flatten everything? even empty fields and civilians? What about ammo? Where will we store ammo of this big arsenal? How will we dispose the ammo after it expires? and buy this much ammo again?

    Where will you keep these many guns? are they not exposed very badly to enemy targets?

    I wont be surprised if those same people say buy 10 Million road rollers and lets flatten the earth and rule!
     
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    Schwifty 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Instead of more guns ,we need better ammo.

    We should work towards ammunition like Excalibur for all Artillery guns,it would be better if we could hit what we want to hit precisely without civilian casualties.

    We have a good stand in the world , we should aspire to retain it by not flattening civilians.The Chinese already have a 100 km Excalibur type of shell, although I am not sure about there claims.But even if it is could hit targets precisely at 60 Kms range than it's a potent and cheap weapon as you need to fire just 1 instead of a bunch to accomplish the task.

    We need to develop anti Artillery guns too ,like the American CRAM (Counter rocket, Artillery and mortar) which should be attached to our rapid armoured and infantry thrusts. (into enemy territory).
    We need to make enemy guns useless and our guns reach long & accurate.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    You can use the money to get better artillery shells instead.
     
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    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Short answer is yes, we need arty force close to a total of 10,000. I will post some calculations soon.
     
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    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Indian Towed arty stands at 4150 guns
    http://indiandefence.com/threads/terrible-state-of-indian-artillery.57381/ (4150)

    Given that only 380 of them are 155mm guns, and there are plans for about induction of 2000 ATAGS 155/52 cal by Ajai Shukla's acount.
    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2016/12/indian-artillery-gun-shines-in-trials.html (2000)
    + Dhanush 155mm/45 Cal already on order (414)

    + 100 L&T Thunder K9T (100)

    + 180 Wheeled SPH (Not decided) (180)

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    814 Towed guns (814)

    + MBRL Smerch 62 + Pinaka 54 + Bm21 grad 150 (~300) + Additional Pinaka Mk3 , India operates Two regiments of Pinaka (i.e. about 27 per regiment ) and plans to operate 8 regiments by 2022 which puts it to about 350 total units as Bm21 without upgrades will be retired soon. (350)

    That brings the number to around 8000 guns.

    Given that Pakistan operates more SPG's than India by a very large margin, there will be ultra light 105mm Self propelled Howitzer based on LFG E2 gun. (~600)

    So yes absolutely close to 10000 guns is very much a possibility with current trajectory, Imo there needs to be larger number of 155mm SPH both tracked and wheeled, reboot of Arjun Catapult on 155mm m36 Soltam variant, and a 300 mm Pinaka solution with least 200 units, and at-least 4000 Atags units.
     
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    SSDD IDF NewBie

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    It is not possible with conventional guns. India needs 3200 155mm Guns, however Dhanus and DRDO 155mm are costlier for this. So we have to get Metamorphosis 155mm guns, which has range of 40km but lacks modern machines. Apart from this, India needs to invest very largely on 160mm Mortars and Pinaka Rocket Launchers.
     
  13. saumyasupratik

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    AFAIK Pinaka Regiments have 18 launchers divided into 3 batteries of 6 launchers each, much like the Field and Medium artillery regiments. There are 3 Smerch regiments, but with only 12 launchers each.
     
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