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Israel bars AESA radar export to India

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  1. CONNAN

    CONNAN Major ELITE MEMBER

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    By Arie Egozi

    The Israeli defence ministry has blocked the potential export sale of Israel Aerospace Industries' EL/M-2052 active electronically scanned array radar to a number of countries, with its action having an immediate impact on the Indian market.

    The restrictions were imposed following pressure from the US administration, which has outlined its concerns to Israel several times in the past two years.

    Washington's position is driven by an assumption that exporting IAI's advanced radar would undermine the sale of US-made systems on the international stage, sources say.

    At one stage, Saab had considered offering the EL/M-2052 as part of its Gripen NG proposal for the Indian air force's medium multi-role combat aircraft requirement, but instead opted for Selex Galileo's ES05 Raven AESA.

    IAI had also viewed the Indian Aeronautical Development Agency's Tejas light combat aircraft as a potential candidate for the AESA radar. The modular design weighs 130-180kg (286-397lb) and consumes 4-10kVA, depending on the design configuration, and has built-in growth potential, the company says.

    Developed by IAI's Elta Systems subsidiary, the EL/M-2052 uses an array of solid-state transmit/receive modules designed to dynamically shape the radiation pattern using an ultra-low side-lobe antenna. It can perform simultaneous multi-mode operations, detecting airborne threats and supporting navigation and mapping, by producing high-resolution synthetic aperture radar imagery.

    The sensor can detect and track up to 64 airborne targets from long range, and enable a pilot to engage several simultaneously using air-to-air missiles, IAI says. The sensor can also provide long-range target detection, classification and tracking in the anti-ship role.

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  2. CONNAN

    CONNAN Major ELITE MEMBER

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    U.S. Pressures Israel to Block IAI AESA Radar Sale to India

    2011-01-11 A report in Flight Global by Arie Egozi reveals that the United States has arm twisted Israel to withdraw the offering and block a potential sale of IAI's EL/M-2052 AESA radars to India. It is said that this action would have immediate impact. The U.S. Government is said to have been pressuring Israel for the ban for over two years.

    "Washington's position is driven by an assumption that exporting IAI's advanced radar would undermine the sale of US-made systems on the international stage, sources say."

    "Saab had considered offering the EL/M-2052 as part of its Gripen NG proposal for the Indian air force's medium multi-role combat aircraft requirement, but instead opted for Selex Galileo's ES05 Raven AESA."

    -- FlightGlobal


    The Elta 2052 is an advanced airborne Active electronically scanned array fire control radar for fighter aircraft. It is suitable for F-15, MiG-29, Mirage 2000, LCA Tejas. The EL/M-2052 is an advanced Airborne Fire Control Radar (FCR) designed for air superiority and advanced strike missions.

    The FCR is based on fully solid-state active phased array technology. This new technology enables the radar to achieve a longer detection range, high mission reliability and a multi-target tracking capability of up to 64 targets. The EL/M-2052 radar incorporates Elta's decades of field-proven experience with real operational feedback from Israeli Air Force combat pilots.

    The radar introduces new dimensions to the Air-to-Air, Air-to-Ground and Air-to-Sea operation modes of the aircraft. In the Air-to-air mode, the radar enables a very long-range multi targets detection and enables several simultaneous weapon deliveries in combat engagements.

    In Air-to-ground missions, the radar provides very high resolution mapping (SAR), surface moving target detection and tracking over RBM, DBS and SAR maps in addition to A/G ranging. In Air-to-Sea missions the radar provides long-range target detection and tracking, including target classification capabilities (RS, ISAR).

    U.S. Pressures Israel to Block IAI AESA Radar Sale to India | India Defence
     
  3. Dilemma

    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Another example of diplomatic arm-twisting by the USA. I'm pretty sure the MoD will take a notice of this.
     
  4. THE_MAGNIFICENT

    THE_MAGNIFICENT 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    india will get AESA , but this RADAR was a decent one.
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Tata has shares in ELTA??
     
  6. tariqkhan18

    tariqkhan18 Major Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    The thing is, what exactly is India to going to do? The Yanks are after just one thing, and that is money.
     
  7. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Go to the Ruskies or Europeans
    Best case scenario build its own radars...
     
  8. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    hey isn't the desi aesa for mk2 under development ??
     
  9. THE_MAGNIFICENT

    THE_MAGNIFICENT 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    can't we co develop one with israel?

    the case is similar to cancellation of ARROW missile because of Uncle SAMS pressure. :wave::wave:

    The we decided to develop our own Air defense system and had israeli help in development of swordfish RADAR.which is the target acquisition and fire control radar for PAD Missile System.

    How about indigenous AESA RADAR with israeli help. ::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
     
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    THE_MAGNIFICENT 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Why not our own ? RADAR is needed for LCA. mk1 is not upto the mark i think. it is used just to gain experience and make pilots familiar wid interface until mkII arrive. and mark 2 will be get IOC in 2016 i think. so i think we will have 5 years for our own research.

    If ADA & HAL can target 5th gen AMCA in 10 years ( Expecting 1st flight in 2020). then i don't think it is hard to develop a RADAR in 5 years.

    MRCA will come with its own AESA. won't it help in our development ?
     
  11. Tshering22

    Tshering22 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Knowing BEL and DRDO, that would take a century. AESA radars aren't easy to miniaturize. It is best if we involve Israel into a project for AESA if at all there are serious plans.
     
  12. Tshering22

    Tshering22 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Look because of one country's greed, how 3-4 different countries are affected. But this loss of customer base of at least a 150+ AESA radars for IAF would really make Israel bitter towards USA apart from considering alternative strategic partners to USA.

    Offtopic I still am of the opinion that we should invite Israelis in the AMCA project. They are looking for an F-35 alternative that comes with no strings. We are a better option before Chinese call them into something.
     
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  13. THE_MAGNIFICENT

    THE_MAGNIFICENT 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    yes TATA is majority share holder in ELTA, but i still doubt that anything can happen when uncle SAM don't want.
     
  14. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Knowing you I expected nothing better....
    Working with the Russians or Euros is much better....
     
  15. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Do you think that country really cares....
    This deal is too small to break the Israel USA bond....
    Israel depends on USA for its very survival...

    I think we are teaming up with Saab....
    why choose Israel????
     
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