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JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafa

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by RAGE, Jul 7, 2012.

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  1. kaku

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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    You are still not understanding mallika, my point is that Pak can't go for deal like MMRCA, but they still needed a 4th Gen fighter in quantity. They know India is not idiot, and India don't put himself in an all out war. So, theny all needed the fighters for Cold Start-- which means a war of 48 to 72 hrs. In that a severe engangement is not possible.

    So, for that they buying a cheap plane in quantity name JF-17, they are not thinking of severe engagement and actually severe engagement is not possible. So, they making a right move, they buying the plane as much as they facing threat.
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    Actually, if they were really wise, they would consider pure political solution and never escalate it to war levels at all...
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    Not the case with the F-16 though...
    The Block 52 cost us some $80 million per aircraft if you add the weapons and avionics package.

    Current JF-17 is a cheap solution, price is set to rise for Block II and even further for Block III.
    It is already cheaper and and as capable as an F-16C Block 30. I would be tempted to call it cost-effective more than cheap.
    it wont remain the case for upcoming blocks, R&D costs will also add to the final cost.

    The first block was kept cheap because PAF needed quick replacements for aging aircraft.
    AND so that we can export it later on to poorer nations.
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    That is real problem, this aircraft is made for third world, not for first class airforce.
    I rather prefer Grippen, if you buy 40-60 then it more worth than 200 JF-17.
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    Block II version of JF-17 has a very good avionics package, but can you tell me per unit cost of Block II JF-17 thunder?
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    It has the same cost as of LCA MK-1.
     
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    yes if you buy 60 Gripen NG you'd prefer over 200 FC-1 Block 1.
     
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    No one knows for sure about the Block II, unless they have insider information, it's all just speculation.
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    Where you heard?, I heard nothing about JF-17 in Indian media, all I heard about LCA.
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    so my point is proven that why the PAF is buying JF-17. And I am not against it, it is good move, all out war is not going to happen.
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    I don't agree with you entirely.
    My point was somewhat ambiguous in that sense.

    Kaku ji, if you were a poor African nation, and the threat was made up of low end 4th gen fighters and Mig-21s.
    Would you choose expensive 4.5 gen fighters with high maintenance costs, costly avionics and armament package.
    Or would you pick a cheaper aircraft with low maintenance cost, no threat of sanctions, you could field it in high numbers, and it would offer you unprecedented capabilities for the price.

    But for PAF current JF-17 is not the final version. and PAF isn't looking for an all block I fleet.
     
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    u mean pakistan is facing threat from low end 4 gen fighters
    iaf is only threat for paf so u mean iaf fighters are low end 4 gen
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    Just another LCA V/s JF-17 thread :tongue:

    On a serious Note :

    Current JF-17 = F-16 Blk.30

    And their respective
    Cost is 15 Million (JF-17) V/s 20.5 Million (F-16) US dollar

    JF-17 Blk.II = F-16 Blk.52

    Based on that I would Say
    cost should be
    50-60 Million (JF-17 Blk.II) V/s 80 Million (F-16 Blk.52)

    ROUGH ESTIMATE
     
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    No PAF is facing MKIs, Mig-29 upgraded and Rafale.
    So no way are they low end.
     
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    Re: JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft- Richard Aboulafia

    :suicide:Listen to this joke...someone has taken on our thread in PDF has started thrashing the article. The following esteemed views may be noted:

    "oh someone is really jealous of jft"

    "In just 2 years of operational service, this aircraft is threatening the future of massive companies like Lockheed Martin, Mig, Saab etc. Give JF-17 five more years and world will know its true potential"

    "Insult or not insult, it's sign of frustration for sure"

    and this one takes the CAKE

    “Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.”


    :crazy:

    What a bunch of jokers- hahaha hahaha.....:lol:
     
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