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Kalvari Class Submarines - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by flanker143, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. Mr.Ryu

    Mr.Ryu Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Pakistan enjoys full supremacy in the submarine warfare
    What do you mean by this are you referring you have more advanced sub and in large numbers ? If so you are wrong its always not Sub vs Sub we have lot of other weapons to tackle your sub, And our Sub fleet is about to grow huge and deadly within 6-10 yrs.

    Good to see Scorpenes being delayed. :haha: so what are you going to do will attack us in mean time try it.
     
  2. Hashu

    Hashu Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    shows that u know nothing about the indian navy!
     
  3. HULK

    HULK 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    As I understand it the delay is due to setting up infrastructure to build submarines in India. Now that is done it should help us in future. This in a way is good news.

    About Pakistan's capabilities, seriously minus the nukes they would been raped by now. They do not have ability to wage war in this decade.
    China is all we care for.
     
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  4. marcos

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    India receives combat management systems for Scorpene submarines


    India receives combat management systems for Scorpene submarines

    New Delhi, June 6 (IANS) French shipbuilder DCNS has delivered two highly sophisticated combat management systems for the first two Scorpene submarines being built in India. The system forms the “brain” of the vessel.

    DCNS India Managing Director Bernard Buisson told India Strategic defence journal that both the systems had been delivered to Mazagon Docks Ltd. (MDL), which was in the process of integrating the first one at present. There are about 20 to 25 French engineers assisting in technology transfer and work at MDL was maturing to mutual satisfaction.

    The first Scorpene submarine, under the Indian Navy’s Project 75, will be launched end-2013 and commissioned in 2015. The second one would be a year later.
    :tsk:
    Buisson said that MDL was actually doing some work, at different levels, regarding all the six submarines under the project and that all the six submarines would be delivered by 2018.

    MDL had built the hulls of first and second submarines, and begun work on the hulls of third and fourth submarines. Simultaneously, other systems were being tested and installed on them progressively.

    Buisson said that DCNS has had technical discussions with the Indian Navy on installing air independent propulsion (AIP) systems on board the last two submarines. There would be a cost, but the AIP would increase the submergence of the vessels by three to four times, thereby making them hidden and more lethal.

    The company was awaiting the navy’s response, as well as an order for the new line of six or more submarines under Project 75-I, all of which would be equipped with he AIP systems. DCNS had already responded to the Indian Navy’s request for information (RfI) in this regard.

    Buisson said that DCNS’ AIP system was based on the MESMA steam AIP used on board all the French nuclear submarines. France as only nuclear-powered submarines and accordingly, proven for technology, he added.

    Asked about local participation in the Scorpene project, Buisson said that DCNS was also talking to private shipyards as per the new Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) and offset requirements.

    “We are also in the process of finalizing the selection of our industrial partners for indigenization of MPM (Mazagon Purchased Materials from other companies) items,” he said.

    MPM items include pumps, valves, air conditioning equipment and various sub-systems.
     
  5. JanjaWeed

    JanjaWeed Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    India’s Multi-billion Dollar Scorpene Sub Contract

    Combat systems delivered; Local sub-contract; AIP status.

    In 2005, India confirmed that it would buy 6 Franco-Spanish Scorpene diesel submarines, with an option for 6 more and extensive technology transfer agreements. The Scorpene deal had simmered on the back-burner for several years, before it became one of India’s largest-ever partnerships with France. DID reported that a deal was “closeâ€￾ as far back as 2004, but nothing was finalized until late 2005. The cost had been subject to varying estimates over the life of those multi-year negotiations, as well as project overruns; the final figure for the first 6 boats is now generally accepted as being about $4 billion.

    India’s submarine fleet currently consists of 16 submarines, about 13 of which are operational. Its Foxtrot Class boats can no longer be counted on, and its U209 derivatives from HDW are unlikely to last beyond 2015. With Pakistan acquiring modern submarines, and Chinese submarine building exploding, serious thought to India’s future submarine fleet became an obvious priority. This DID FOCUS article covers the Scorpene deal and its structure, adds key contracts and new developments, and offers insights into the larger naval picture beyond India.

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    India’s Multi-billion Dollar Scorpene Sub Contract
     
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  6. Mr.Ryu

    Mr.Ryu Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Re: India’s Multi-billion Dollar Scorpene Sub Contract

    I really think the one major place where we are lagging is SUBMARINE and we need to expedite the process. We also need more P-8 also to counter the growing adversary's SUB numbers.
     
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    Its informative post provides a lots of data related to topic also give some more data on topic.
     
  8. midgetman

    midgetman 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    what makes you think that Pakistan enjoys full supremacy?? Pakistan has 3 agosta90 subs and and 2 agosta70 subs. the agosta70s were outdated a decade ago as evident by the fact that the french finished decommissioning them in 2001. of the 3 agosta 90 submarines Pakistan has, only 1 as of right now has AIP (PNS/M Hamza ), with no timeline for the upgrade on the other 2 in the near future.

    Also... what makes you think that the agosta90 class is in any way superior to the 10 Indian kilo class or the 4 type 209 submarines. the kilo class btw have all been refit with modern weapons since their commissioning. and did i mention all armed with 3M-54 Klub anti ship cruise missiles (200km). more than twice the range of the Exocet(70km) on the 3 agosta90 subs that the Pakistani navy has. the agosta70s btw carry only ordinary torpedoes.

    as the future acquisitions.. lol.. well.. lets not even bother to compare..
     
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  9. kaku

    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    All six Scorpene subs will be delivered from 2015 to 2018, says Mazagon Dock chief

    MUMBAI: Exactly four years from now, close to two decades after India inducted its last modern submarine, the Navy will finally get its first Scorpene `killer' submarine in August 2015.

    But India by then will be down to only 10 diesel-electric submarines from its present aging fleet of 10 Russian Kilo-class and four German HDW vessels, just over half of which anyway are operational at any given time.

    This alarming state of affairs once again underlines the Indian defence establishment's inadequacy to first formulate and then execute long-term strategic plans, especially since both Pakistan and China are fast augmenting their underwater combat arms.

    Moreover, while the Rs 23,562-crore `Project-75' to build six French Scorpene submarines at Mazagon Docks (MDL) is running three years' behind schedule, the defence ministry is yet to kick off `Project-75 India' for another six new-generation submarines.



    All six Scorpene subs will be delivered from 2015 to 2018, says Mazagon Dock chief - The Times of India
     
  11. f-insas

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    not so good our anti submarine capable vessels can make the hell out of urs augusta ,and besides majority of our subs can capable to launch cruise missile ,so dont
     
  12. Galaxy

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    All six Scorpene subs will be delivered from 2015 to 2018, says Mazagon Dock chief

    Rajat Pandit, TNN Aug 23, 2011, 03.58am IST

    MUMBAI: Exactly four years from now, close to two decades after India inducted its last modern submarine, the Navy will finally get its first Scorpene `killer' submarine in August 2015.

    But India by then will be down to only 10 diesel-electric submarines from its present aging fleet of 10 Russian Kilo-class and four German HDW vessels, just over half of which anyway are operational at any given time.

    This alarming state of affairs once again underlines the Indian defence establishment's inadequacy to first formulate and then execute long-term strategic plans, especially since both Pakistan and China are fast augmenting their underwater combat arms.

    Moreover, while the Rs 23,562-crore `Project-75' to build six French Scorpene submarines at Mazagon Docks (MDL) is running three years' behind schedule, the defence ministry is yet to kick off `Project-75 India' for another six new-generation submarines.

    MDL, however, is now promising to make amends. "We will deliver all the six Scorpenes, which are very silent submarines, between August 2015 and September 2018. Fabrication of pressure hulls for the first submarine is ahead of schedule...its outfitting has also begun," says MDL chief Vice-Admiral (retd) H S Malhi.

    "In fact, construction of all the six Scorpenes is underway at different stages. We have compressed delivery schedules to ensure P-75 is completed by September 2018," he adds.

    An anxious Navy can only hope for the best. Decommissioning plans, after all, hold it will be left with just eight of the existing 14 submarines by 2017, five by 2020 and two by 2022.

    Ironically, it was way back in July 1999 that the Cabinet Committee on Security approved a 30-year submarine building plan, which envisaged induction of 12 new submarines in Phase-I (2000-2012) and another 12 in Phase-II (2012-2030).

    But to no avail. Navy is now pressing hard for P-75I, which was supposed to be over by 2012, to be launched as soon as possible. It involves acquisition of six new stealth submarines, equipped with both tube-launched missiles for land-attack capabilities as well as air-independent propulsion for longer underwater endurance, for over Rs 50,000 crore.

    Navy is unhappy with the current plan to build three of these submarines at the overloaded MDL, after the direct import of two from the selected foreign collaborator, with the sixth coming up at Hindustan Shipyard in Visakhapatnam.

    MDL, however, is confident. "By end-2012, we will complete the fabrication process for all the six Scorpenes. So, by early 2013, we will be ready to begin P-75I since the fabrication facility will be idle," says Vice-Admiral Malhi.

    India, of course, is also set to get the Russian Akula-II class nuclear-powered submarine K-152 Nerpa, to be rechristened INS Chakra, on a 10-year lease by November-December. But the real underwater punch will come when India's own nuclear submarine, the over 6,000-tonne INS Arihant, becomes operational by 2012-2013.


    All six Scorpene subs will be delivered from 2015 to 2018, says Mazagon Dock chief - Times Of India
     
  13. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Dunno if you are interested, but scalp missile submarine version (which will be implemented on barracuda class) was successfully tested recently...Are they scheduled to go on indian scopene class?
     
  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    I am interested! :mrgreen: But as far as I heared about it will be developed the the Barracuda class only and probably will have more than the 290Km range of export Scalp versions for air forces, or do you have any other information about it? IN is interested in integrating Brahmos on subs, but so far, neither the Russian amur class, nor the Scorpenes could integrate it if AIP will be integrated as well, it is either Brahmos, or AIP. In this case, Scalp missiles for Scorpense with AIP would be a good alternative, atleast to counter the Russian offer, but I didn't get a confirmation if the Germans can offer Brahmos and AIP at once.
    The delays in the production of the Scorpene is disappointing, but if Scalp is included in the 2nd offer (which then could be integrated into the first 6 subs as well), I see good chances for a follow order of Scorpenes.
     
  15. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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