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Kalvari Class Submarines - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by flanker143, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Indian Navy readies Plan B for buying submarines if Manohar Parrikar’s model fails
    Published April 19, 2017
    SOURCE: ET

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    Faced with a critical shortage of underwater assets, the Navy is looking at alternate options to obtain more submarines at a fast pace in case plans to involve the private sector as strategic partners to manufacture vessels in India falters.

    A top naval officer said that while the strategic partnership model – a pet project of former defence minister Manohar Parrikar which has been stuck for over 18 months – would be the best option to proceed with acquisition of more submarines, an alternate plan is also being formulated.

    “We are looking at all options, including a government to government deal or an extension of the Scorpene class line (in Mumbai). The best option is the strategic partnership plan but we also need to have a plan B in place,” Vice Admiral DM Deshpande,Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition, said in response to a question by ET.

    The Indian Navy is in urgent need for submarines, with its Russian origin Kilo class vessels reaching the end of serviceable life and the six Scorpenes on order grossly inadequate to meet expanded security tasks in the region.

    The Mumbai-based MDL shipyard, which is constructing the Scorpene in partnership with French firm DCNS, has been pitching for an additional order, making the point that it has spare capacity and manpower available to quickly produce larger numbers.

    Deshpande, who was speaking at a FICCI event to announce an international seminar on future requirements of the Indian Navy, said that another project to acquire much needed minesweepers has passed all hurdles.

    “We are hopeful of concluding the contract by the end of the fourth quarter,” the officer said.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Indian Navy has a plan B for acquiring submarines if strategic partnership with private sector fails
    By IANS / 19 Apr 2017 , 09:33


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    The INS Chakra. Image: Navy.
    The Indian Navy may look for other means to procure submarines if the proposed Strategic Partnership model to select key Indian private players for defence manufacturing projects is not implemented, a senior Navy officer said on Tuesday. Vice Admiral D.M. Deshpande, Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition, said the Navy needed the submarines to maintain its force level, and admitted that in case the Strategic Partnership model does not work out, it would mean “time penalties” before a plan B can be worked out.

    Under project 75 India or 75I, the Indian Navy was to get six conventional submarines, which were to be made in India at a cost of around Rs 60,000 crore – under the Strategic Partnership model. Asked about project 75I at a press conference at Ficci on Tuesday, Deshpande said: “The programme was linked with the Strategic Partnership model. We had some fair amount of progress on the Strategic Partnership but as things have changed, we have to rework these.

    “We need those submarines badly because our force levels are being affected. In case the Strategic Partnership model does not fall into place for whatever reasons, then we will have to look elsewhere.” Asked what the other options were, Deshpande said it is still being looked into. “We have got to get more submarines and we are looking at ways and means (on how) we can get this. It is still work in progress, and so far as the decision making is concerned whether we go for follow-on of Scorpene or we look at something else… it is still in discussion stages,” he said.

    The Vice Admiral however added: “We are keeping our fingers crossed, as if the Strategic Partnership happens we will be better off.” “The projects we are looking at right now through the model is submarines and some aircraft. If it does not happen a plan B will have to be put into place, and that plan B right now is something which is very internal to the Navy we are trying to discuss,” he added.

    Deshpande admitted that it will mean losing more time before the Navy can get more submarines. “But yes, if it does not come through there would be some sort of time penalties, to make sure that plan B gets into place,” he said. The Indian Navy has 15 submarines, while China has around 70. Indian submarines include two nuclear propulsion submarines – INS Chakra, which has been taken on lease from Russia for 10 years, and INS Arihant which has been indigenously constructed.

    Apart from these, there are nine Russian Sindhughosh class attack submarines, and four German Shishumar class attack submarines. Apart from these, six Scorpene class submarines are under construction in India, with the first of these – INS Kalvari likely to be inducted in the Indian Navy by end of this year.

    The Strategic Partnership model was proposed after a report from a committee under former Director General (Acquisition) Dhirendra Singh suggested finding strategic partners for high-end defence production. A task force was then constituted by the Defence Ministry under former DRDO chief V.K. Aatre, which among other things suggested fnalising only one or two partners for each sector.
     
  3. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

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    First Thanks for the Article
    Second , We have i think abt 3 Kilos of the IN going for Deep Upgrade so to say they are end of their service life is BS

    Third, the Article doesn't answer my Q, Second Hand Subs from Where?? Which Country has their Subs for Sale?? Russia?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Greece could be a good choice for 2nd hand stuff, like U209 SSKs or Mirage 2000s. One could even couple the deal with the export of Dhruv, Rudra, or even LCA MK1A although I doubt they will go for it.
     
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    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Fuel Cell - Thats their aim..

    That was what was offerred by DCNS 100% FDI route as DCNS wants to move away from MESMA as well..
     
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    Is India Planning Mega Submarine Acquisition Plans

    http://idrw.org/is-india-planning-mega-submarine-acquisition-plans/

    A few points:

    10 More Scorpenes apart from 6 already being built, are to bought under extended P75 program.

    6 submarines under P75I + 10 follow on after which completely Indian design to be inducted.

    6 SSN aprt from 3 current SSBN

    24-30 conventional Submarines by 2050
     
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  9. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Which torpedo?
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    SUT heavy weight Torpedo
    One which is used in Shishumar class Submarines
     
  11. Luttapi

    Luttapi 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Black Shark torpedo deal for scorpene submarines icon_original_black_shark02_g.jpg was early cancelled.
     
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    Luttapi 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    It may be varunastra. varunastra_305_021517081256.jpg
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Its not Varunastra.
    It is SUT HWT.

    For using Varunastra, Torpedo tube modifications are required.
     
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  14. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Goood
     
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  15. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Varunastra is a ship launched torpedo. DRDO is developing Shakti thermal torpedoes for submarines in future.
     

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