Dismiss Notice
Welcome to IDF- Indian Defence Forum , register for free to join this friendly community of defence enthusiastic from around the world. Make your opinion heard and appreciated.

Kalvari Class Submarines - Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by flanker143, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. brahmos_ii

    brahmos_ii Major SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2012
    Messages:
    3,790
    Likes Received:
    954
    Already mired in controversy due to massive cost-overruns, the Scorpene project — India’s first conventionally developed submarine — has been hit by another torpedo.

    The Central Vigilance Commission (CVC) has launched an inquiry against Scorpene project head, Commodore (retired) Gopal Bharti, following a complaint alleged financial irregularities in the project. The identity of the complainant is being withheld under the Whistleblower’s Act.
    While the first of the six submarines were to be delivered to the Indian Navy by Mazagon Dock Ltd (MDL) last year, the deadline has been pushed to 2015. Interestingly, even as the probe is underway, MDL — in contravention of service rules — allowed Bharti to take premature retirement on January 1, 2013.

    The whistleblower listed out a slew of financial irregularities including one in which Bharti took his son abroad on public money. Another serious charge is he purposely delayed placing orders for about 170 of 300 items — called Mazagon Docks Procured Items — essential to build the Scorpene.

    Sources say orders for the items, worth around 138 million, could have been easily placed in the three to four years when Bharti headed the project. Incidentally, defence Minister A K Antony has already cited red-tapism as a reason for the five-year delay and massive cost overruns of not less than a few thousand crores.

    Bharti allegedly made a false claim and pocketed 900, ostensibly to purchase train tickets on a 2008-visit to France when in reality, the cost was borne by DCNS, the French partner in the Scorpene project. The complaint has listed out how DCNS then issued a credit note asking MDL to reimburse the train ticket expense, but which they mysteriously cancelled later.

    Another serious allegation against the retired commodore is about the disappearance of 15 of over 30 high pressure specialized underwater valves from his department. The complaint says Bharti, while shrugging off the responsibility, put the onus on his juniors. “MDL is learnt not to have made any enquiry on how the valves disappeared, or who will bear the additional cost,” said officials.

    Commodore Bharti, director ( Submarine and Heavy Engineering), however has vehemently denied any wrongdoing. “I don’t know of any CVC inquiry against me. The allegations made against me are by disgruntled individuals and are baseless,” he said. The MDL spokesperson, too,

    denied the allegations of irregularities or of the CVC inquiry. “Bharti has been relieved as per service rules with necessary permission of the competent authorities,” the spokesperson said.

    CVC starts probe against Scorpene project head | idrw.org
     
  2. brahmos_ii

    brahmos_ii Major SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2012
    Messages:
    3,790
    Likes Received:
    954
    The Scorpene submarine project underway in Mumbai has suffered fresh troubles, with a new assessment showing another 18 months of delay even as its Spanish consultants have left the venture.

    According to sources, Mazagon Dock Limited(MDL) has informed the Navy that the project would be delayed by another 18 months from the 2015 deadline announced by defence minister AK Antony in Parliament last year.
    Going by the latest MDL projections, the first Scorpene submarine would be ready for induction only by 2016-end. When the contract was signed, the first submarine was to be ready in 2012. However, the delay could be worse, according to other developments over the last few days.

    Consultants from Navantia, the Spanish shipbuilding company, left the project in the last few days. The technical assistance pact for Navantia and DCNS, the French partner in the consortium, expired on March 31, sources said. With MDL failing to get the defence ministry’s approval in time, about 10 Spanish consultants working on the submarine project left India. This could further add to the delay, sources said.

    Adding to the troubles over the massive submarine project, with a budget of over Rs 23,000 crore, is the fact that the DCNS leadership is expected to meet with MDL top brass this week in Mumbai and present their own demand for additional technical assistance fee.

    The developments come at a time when India’s submarine fleet is expected to dwindle to just seven or so in two years time. Presently, India operates 10 ageing Russian Kilo class and four German HDW submarines. Indian Navy also has a Russian nuclear submarine INS Chakra on lease.

    The Scorpene project, among the biggest defence deals signed by India till now, was concluded in October 2005. Over the years, the project has run into several delays. Originally, the first submarine was to be delivered in 2012. However, because of the complications and two-year delay in concluding contracts related to material to be procured by MDL, the project got delayed by three years.

    Delivery by end-2016

    Hulls for all six submarines, made of steel supplied by French division of ArcelorMittal, are ready in Mumbai, and the outfitting of equipment and systems is underway. With the Spanish consultants quitting, work on the part of the hull that they were responsible for could be delayed.

    According to the new estimates, the first submarine will be ready for commissioning by end of 2016. And then, a new submarine could be ready for induction every 9-12 months.

    According to the present projections, the last two submarines would have air independent propulsion systems (AIP) that would help the submarine stay underway water for one to three extra weeks. Without AIP, a Scorpene submarine can stay underwater continuously for five to six days. DRDO is presently developing an indigenous AIP, with assistance from DCNS. Initial assessments about the indigenous AIP system is said to be very good though with only about two weeks of endurance.

    Scorpene submarine project to miss target again as Spanish consultants quit | idrw.org
     
  3. jonas

    jonas Captain SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2013
    Messages:
    1,944
    Likes Received:
    541
    Dear me,things are going from bad to worse. What with the aircraft carrier programme,Rafale delays and now this. Someone definately needs to get a grip on things.
     
  4. Foxtrot

    Foxtrot Captain SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2011
    Messages:
    1,448
    Likes Received:
    420
    If they r saying 2016........then it will actually be in 2020.
     
    1 person likes this.
  5. Hidalgo

    Hidalgo 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2013
    Messages:
    232
    Likes Received:
    50
    Any update ????
     
  6. he-man

    he-man Captain SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,320
    Likes Received:
    275
    this is the reason why the rfp for project 75i shoild be cancelled.

    Project 75i will be a diff sub and we will face similar problems with their production too and by the time they come out,they will be obsolete.

    just get another 6 scorpenes(upgraded if possible) with AIP.
     
  7. he-man

    he-man Captain SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,320
    Likes Received:
    275
    i just hope we make a scorpene fast :frust:
     
  8. sivachandan

    sivachandan REGISTERED

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    0
    supremacy my a$$ .... we have excellent anti submarine warfare platforms which can kick ur crappy submarine in to deep sea
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 19, 2014
  9. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    15,346
    Likes Received:
    2,380
    Country Flag:
    United States
    [​IMG]
    Indian Mine Sweeper Suffers Fire

    By: USNI News Editor
    Published: December 5, 2013 9:33 AM


    Pondicherry-class minesweeper INS Kozhikode (M71). A ship in the same class, INS Konkan, suffered a fire on Wednesday. Indian Navy photo

    The Indian mine sweeper caught fire while undergoing an overhaul in a shipyard in the city of Visakhapatnam, according to several press reports.

    INS Konkan (M72) caught fire on Wednesday at around 4:30 p.m. local time, according to a report in The Hindu newspaper.

    “A fire had occurred on the ship reportedly due to a short circuit and fire fighting is going on. There are, however, no casualties in the accident,” Police Commissioner B. Shivadhar Reddy told the newspaper.
    Konkan is one of seven Russian built Pondicherry class mine sweepers in the Indian fleet.

    The 891-ton ships are heavily armed and field a crew of around 80 sailors.

    This is the second ship fire suffered by an Indian ship in dock this year.

    In August, a fire about the attack submarine INS Sindhurakshak killed more than 12 sailors.
    Indian Mine Sweeper Suffers Fire | USNI News

    India red-faced as South Korea raises long-pending 'minesweeper' contract

    NEW DELHI: The Posco steel plant imbroglio may have been resolved, but India was left red-faced again on Thursday when South Korea pushed for an early inking of the first-ever major bilateral defence deal that has been hanging fire for almost three years after being virtually finalized.

    India red-faced as South Korea raises long-pending 'minesweeper' contract - Times Of India
     
  10. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    15,346
    Likes Received:
    2,380
    Country Flag:
    United States
    Dysfunctional, or part time functional. Its not just the military, its the entire country. Harvard Kennedy School - India: Flailing Between Function, Dysfunction.

    The men and women who fill the top tiers of government, moreover, are endowed with “incredibly spectacular intelligence, cleverness, and competence,” he says. These civil servants can deftly formulate “excellent policies and programs in nearly every domain,” maneuvering through the mountains of paperwork with stunning adroitness.

    However, at the local levels of government, where these brilliant policies are supposed to be implemented, one finds a totally different story. “In police, tax collection, education, health, power, water supply — in nearly every routine service — there is rampant absenteeism, indifference, incompetence, and corruption,”
     
  11. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    15,346
    Likes Received:
    2,380
    Country Flag:
    United States
    Arming without Aiming: India's Military Modernization Hardcover

    by Stephen P. Cohen

    The book is an empathetic, objective, and comprehensive narration and analysis of the evolution of Indian defense policy and management. The Indian strategic establishment is groping to find ways and means of safeguarding its progress toward becoming a twenty-first-century knowledge power in an international community still dominated by strategic thought from the World War II era. Steve Cohen and Sunil Dasgupta have brought into bold relief this somewhat inchoate and as yet not fully formulated effort. This will be a required reading for all senior service officers, civil servants, politicians, and academics engaged in Indian security." —K. Subrahmanyam, Indian defense expert. 223 page book.

    Don't think Indians are reading the book.
     
  12. sivachandan

    sivachandan REGISTERED

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    0
    very nicely shown our defects...pretty few compared to yours(if ur Chinese that is) Chinese 3/4 fleet is crap with obsolete self defense mechanism on their ships. According to congress report(U.S.A) 60% of their ships are vulnerable to even primitive anti ship missiles. If u ask me who maintains the Vintage fleet of Submarines Its them!!!!!!. while on other hand we maintain our ships very effectively with good maintenance except for our submarines (which are maintained good when compare to Chinese). Chinese are Only good at maintaining crap :secret:
     
  13. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Messages:
    4,334
    Likes Received:
    2,333
    First MDL made Sorpene should be afloat next month. DCNS claim that schedule is on track with new calendar and that MDL has now acquired the capacity to build and deliver modern submarines as scheduled.

    Et si DCNS revendait des sous-marins à l'Inde
     
    Sancho and Ved Mishra like this.
  14. Indian Jatt

    Indian Jatt Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2014
    Messages:
    417
    Likes Received:
    201
    Country Flag:
    India
    Bhai for their so called submarine fleet of five we have 15 latest state of the art ASW frigates -2 shivalik class frigates would be enough for their whole fleet
     
  15. arp2041

    arp2041 FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2012
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    15

Share This Page