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'Kargil Was a '4-Man Show', Sharif Not Kept Totally in Dark'

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by Marqueur, Jan 30, 2013.

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  1. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Sure, if we staged an air battle like the Battle of Britain, maybe. Otherwise, no.
     
  2. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    It was more like a battle.
    The only Pakistani aggressors were in the initial intrusion were small amounts of NLI units, nevertheless they captured strategically important high points prompting a war-like response form India.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    PAF got first batch of 40 F-16A/Bs way back in mid eighties. Than another batch of 14 F-16A/Bs.These are all WVR fighters. Of these nearly 10 have since crashed. Then came the Fresh 18 blk-52 fighters which are bigger and more capable and have BVR ability. In addition old lot is being upgraded for BVR under mid life upgrade. Another batch of 14 Blk-52 has also been signed and deliveries have either commenced or are about to start.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Bro a total of seven batalions were involved, five from NLI and one each of Sindh Regiment and Gilgit scouts. There was not even a single irregular among the intruders. This has been stated by nearly every PA Gen who was in the know of it.
     
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  5. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    It is correct, some people deny this because this sort of truth could never be shown through Western media

    What on earth are you talking about?

    This is to stop the flow of arms and money to the TTP and reinforcements.
    The US cowards are too scared to man the border and blame Pakistan to keep them from looking like hypocrites and cowards.

    Plenty of ministers and PA spokesman have said this.
    But unlike you folks, we aren't that good at creating hysterical response on the international stage.
    Which clearly is a weakness at times.

    No, not in 65, but India has been the initial aggressor before and if things were to escelate back then even this would be an objective.

    Worse for our enemies, better for us.

    You're missing the point.


    Ah but threats aren't just harmless anger, that constitutes warmongering, very unprofessional of them
    Perhaps they want to deploy and escalate the situation.

    Kargil op in terms of ground reality was perfect.
    it was lost on the international stage thanks to good boy Nawaz Sharif.
    The few NLI there managed to prompt a response of 2 extra divisions on top of existing ones in the area and IAF involvement,
    The few NLI could have caused heavy damage to the Indian brigade level of troops deployed. It also overlooked your national highway.
    the escalation on your side was not you flexing your muscles, it was a desperate attempt to remove the NLI, because your assaults by light infantry lead to many deaths an no gains.

    Please don't for a second believe the casualty figures circulating through your media, they are all false.

    All it would take today, is temporary ceasefire with TTP.
    Then it would all be set.

    I don't want war, I hate war.

    but you folks are war mongering, there is the illusion and you folks would win.
    You wont, if it was that simple it would have happened in 2002/8 and now.
     
  6. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    NLI did have irregulars in them

    Vstol ji, NLI is separate from PA regulars.
    PA chose local militia too, who were familiar with the terrain, they could fight in low temperatures and didn't get altitude sickness.

    And yes, some 4-5 NLI battalions were deployed before withdrawal and return to the status quo.
     
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    What on earth are you talking about?

    This is to stop the flow of arms and money to the TTP and reinforcements.
    The US cowards are too scared to man the border and blame Pakistan to keep them from looking like hypocrites and cowards.


    The US is in control of Pak involvement in afg, not the other way round. Any insinuations otherwise are just halucinations.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Correct; but US did arm and support Taliban (as well as helped encourage extremist tendencies), and ISI helped CIA do it.
     
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  9. Jungibaaz

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    Without a doubt.
    We armed the Mujahideen and even fought alongside them.

    ISI trained lots of Mujahideen and had some of their own working in on the ground.
    However, the extreme taliban of 90's were not our creation and the even more extreme taliban today (post 9/11) are direct result of US intervention
     
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  10. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    For now.
    But whether we have our way is not the question, it's just a question of when the US grows tired of this war and gives us the opportunity.
     
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    but pakistan govt refused to accept there bodies and some of them are secretly dumped in front of there family or house etc
    yes due to its gameplan
    but r u ok with it or local pakistani
    didn't they loose motivation to join pak army or paramilitary
    who can disown at anytime and labeled mujahdeen ?
    its shame to dead and called mujaheeden or terrorist
    i or anybody loves to die as soldier with recognitiin of his act
     
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    Complete lies.
    We collected bodies, be it our own jawans or non-state actors.
     
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    Isnt this is protecting US interests??





    Proof my dear proof....we have publicly given proof of Pakistani involvement but your govt didnt bother to do it. Your govt is no saint who will just sit tight despite of having proof....no pakistani govt will miss an opportunity to give proof against India. This gives an irrefutable presumption that Pakistan has no proof of Indian involvement.



    When was India the initial aggressor......65? 71? 99? 47?



    The moment US leaves, Taliban will gain more freedom and they will surely avenge all those who helped US. Pakistan comes first.



    Explain.




    They said what they are suppose to say. Why should IA tolerate Pakistan? Why should we care about escalating the situation when it was PA's fault.



    It was poorly planned.

    yeah....you have to blame someone......I just cant understand that an Army chief that can remove PM actually ordered the withdraw of forces which were winning the war.....very convincing....

    We responded with the intensity which FEW Nli could not predict.

    They could not do anything because kargil was poorly planned.

    How it can be a desperate attempt? We reacted to capture our heights and we did that.......we used our available means to minimize our losses.....it was actually a desperate attempt by pakistan which could not even support her own troops....may are buried in India as they were considered as Terrorists....

    I will go by the official figures. 350+ for Pakistan even though they were at heights...550+ for India.



    They attacked and killed 31 people after saying that they will not attack PA.

    Nice.

    Oh yeah... we are the war mongers....we attacked kashmir in 65...we attacked Pakistan when pakistani PM was in India for peace visit......and yeah we lost all the wars....what an illusion.

    We will......we are just enjoying the show.
     
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