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Kaveri Engine Program : News and Updates

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by BlueOval, Aug 9, 2010.

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what type of engine should we have attempted as our first one??

Poll closed Jan 5, 2017.
  1. variable cycle engine

    15 vote(s)
    60.0%
  2. conventional engine

    10 vote(s)
    40.0%
  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    This is going to be fun to watch.
     
  2. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    2012

    Tu me rends fou, India, says world over Rafale deal
    • Dipankar De Sarkar, Hindustan Times, London
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    • Updated: Feb 03, 2012 00:41 IST



    “We’ve been waiting for this day for 30 years,” President Nicolas Sarkozy told journalists before breaking the “excellent news” from New Delhi to his waiting ministers. He is now widely expected to launch his re-election campaign on the back of New Delhi’s decision to select the makers of France’s Rafale jet for exclusive talks on a multi-billion-dollar arms deal.

    2016 Still waiting
     
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    Tejpal Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    @PARIKRAMA your info has been woefully off. You said a deal would be signed months back.

    I'm not normally rude but if you are posting absolute fantasy and guff on here it is extremely irresponsible and disrespectful of you.
     
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    Tejpal Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    You should have this as your signature, it's been said a hundred times.
     
  5. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Yeah, I think half my posts since last year have been just that.
     
  6. positron

    positron Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Even though DM says so, I really doubt India will buy another single engine plane.. Where are the options? F-16? Gripen?
    LSA is still in design phase so to speak ... there is no other proven single engine plane that has value for money as Tejas (Gripen and F-16 far too expensive for the tech they bring in)
     
  7. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Pls check with any folks from power corridors. You will come to know the truth. I am only reiterating what I came to know .. if you think French offered kaveri engine help now and DM MP agreed just now and offsets got finalised now then I don't know what to say. In India with Indian Standard Time, yiu think an offset offer would be accepted in such a short time?

    Everything about Rafale was done and dusted. The whole delay is purely bcz DM MP had nt cleared the same for CCS not from now but over last 3 months. His reasons may be many but fund crunch and BJP IT cell taking credit of the deal in NaMo name are the main points.
     
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  8. positron

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    If I am not mistaken Safran was appointed as consultants for Kaveri engine quite a while back, and inspite of that they having been paid, there was no result. So in a way you see the French did not want Kaveri to be developed. The moment we get Kaveri which is suitable, thats end of purchase of French products at least for IAF. The Americans on other hand, have not tasted indian fighter "pie" and so for them to help on engine would be ensuring to killing off big part of French interest in Indian defence. Be sure that neither France or USA are our friends, its just business.
     
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  9. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    You are correct. In that deal they wanted to use the core of M88 engine which was rejected by IAF. In the new offer, they are using complete modules of Kaveri engine and will develop the core of Kaveri instead of using the core of M88 engine. This deal is far superior to the previous deal.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The deal for upgrading Kaveri started good about six months back. After that French engineers inspected Kaveri and came out with their findings.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    LSA is a complete aircraft which needs to be built and will have very short flight test time for induction into service. The philosophy of LSA is very different from other aircraft.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    French may not need Kaveri engine for their own use but just look around the world what is happening. LCA Mk1A is in that sweet spot where it has no competitor and where there is a market for over 3000 jets. In a JV, Safran will earn money with the sales of LCA.
     
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  13. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    IAF had the deal canceled. Safran were not paid anything, the tender was called off in the middle of negotiations, like MMRCA.

    Now the deal is for the whole of Kaveri, it's not a JV like before.
     
  14. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    @positron

    firstly there are no free lunches

    well if anyone wants to believe that there i free lunches well go on belive it ..................


    everyone here are spinning and reeling out long yarns
    even @PARIKRAMA @vstol jockey @randomradio included

    they are biggents yarn spinners / reelers ( in shudh hindi means phenk rahey hain )

    aur hum lapet reahin hain

    why because
    couple months ago

    @PARIKRAMA said a deal had been finalised with ofset deals in

    baracude class submarine tech transfer
    tech help for nuke aircraft carrier
    Nuke deal for nuke reactors/nuke tech from areva
    Tech for tejas / AMCA

    and that bin taini ka lota jockey readily agreed with it that yes it has been finalised on those parameters and that he had suggested to top boss about nuke sub tech and silent subs etc etc

    now the question is if the offsets deal were finalised on those parameters then why didnt the deal gothrough then ?

    who backed out of thoe commitments ?

    why is there now a change in offset terms ?
     
  15. randomradio

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    No chance of those coming with Rafale. Rafale offsets are all in the aerospace domain. Those will be coming in with other deals, like submarines.

    Nuke deal is entirely different. They are working on that.
     

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