Kaveri Engine Program : News and Updates

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by BlueOval, Aug 9, 2010.

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what type of engine should we have attempted as our first one??

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  1. variable cycle engine

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  1. lca-fan
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    Believe it or not LCA MK1A will come with Kaveri-snecma engine with 90/95 kn thrust. This is also getting confirmed as no order for GE404 or GE414 has been placed as they have been given assurance by Snecma that Kaveri will be working by then and are so confident about it. LCA MK1A as I said will be a beast with Kaveri engine as it will be having more power plus it being 50cms smaller than Ge404 will vacate more room for internal fuel and LRUs, Also it will have lower Infra red signature and more efficient giving LCA MK1A more range and making it more stealthy.

    I am sure about it and if this happens it will be the biggest coup of Modi Govt.:dance3::dance3::dance3:
     
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    how much fuel can be stored in an area of 50 cms???? and testing of Kaveri with Tejas will also take around 2 years
     
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    If the total EW system which is presently being podded , gets a place inside the aircraft. That would be awesome.

    And they are also redesigning the Cockpit, and are aiming for about 15-20% increase in aerodynamic performance at sea level.And increase in speed at sea level by 15% [with lower powered GE404 only ]

    A 95KN Kaveri [with a small enough size that the EW/ECM systems are fitted inside the LCA , would be the best thing that could happen to LCA project.
     
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    If Safranised Kaveri powers the PV1 is put out to public, you can be assured there won't be any more Gripen or F16 .. it's an official kiss and saying good bye..

    @Picdelamirand-oil @halloweene @CNL-PN-AA @BON PLAN @Vergennes @bubzy @DAC O DAC @web123 and all other French members..

    Keep that event in your watch out list.. a Safranised Kaveri powering LCA in public means a huge thing .. even if it's static also, still it points to the path that we have taken and how this closes out all other so called brainless PR activities..

    @Abingdonboy this could be the massive event we all have waited for ..

    @Ankit Kumar 001 bro do request your friends to get hi res pics of the bird with Kaveri.. and pamphlets too.. it may point to many things..
     
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    French are smart people and know how to kill two birds with one stone. Upgraded Kaveri not only means what you wrote but it also means that DA will be the lead partner for AMCA. They will sweep every possible future aircraft buy by India.
     
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    That's true of course but still scope remains for a hi tech stealth fighter which is homegrown project..And possibly a much evolved light version..
    :biggthumpup:
     
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    Lol, let's try and see how the media (or even DM) pushes the F-16/Gripen deal becuase it will be a boost for "make in India" in favour of the Indian jet with an Indian engine!

    I'm not counting my chickens just yet but it would be beyond ABSURD to see the F-16/Gripen deals being entertained post-2019 if GRTE/Safran fulfil their promise and the PV-1 is flying with a Kaveri powerplant.

    Game, set, match for France potentially.

    I would FAR prefer ADA to tie up with France, they have the best tech outside of the US (in some cases better), sure India could get to the same level in time but with France they can massively cut down the timespan, why reinvent the wheel and why not lean on a world class partner?

    The AMCA could have an Indian (with French features) powerplant, radar, EW systems (with French influences), avionics with a mixture of Indian, French and Israeli weapons. In this case the AMCA is THE best fighter in Asia and second only to the US's top line fighter (by that time it could be a so-called 6th gen fighter). France may even be interested in the AMCA in some part as a long term investment beyond the Rafale.

    One thing is for sure, India better not go with any Russian offer for the AMCA, they have f*cked the FGFA up so badly, India cannot afford to make the same mistake again.
     
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    Is page ki har ek poster ki munh mein ghee sakkar!!
     
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    Aapke bhi janaab....
     
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    Here is an article stating kaveri/snecma project is moving forward and they are looking forward to hiring people who will lead and work with kaveri team..

    What could be the first sign of movement in Indo-French Kaveri engine project, French Safran Aircraft Engine has issued advertisement for Director / Program Manager for Kaveri program. The application is invited from interested candidates and below are Mission Description. Within the program management division, in liaison with the designated correspondents of the other entities of Safran Aircraft Engines, and in particular, the technical management, the quality management, the industrial management and the commercial management, the program director Kaveri will have the following tasks: – Lead the team Kaveri program – Establish the project schedule and identify, in accordance with the PROMPT methodology, key program milestones, consistent with the challenges and milestones of the contract and the Rafale India contract associated offsets, – Ensure the control and coordination of all activities on the program, including consistent with the M88 program – Ensure the profitability of the engine and its future support system, identify performance improvement axes economic, – Ensure coherence of actions regarding developments/improvements / changes in the product (via meetings team from program) – Manage the actions of the Company and the Group regarding this program ensuring overall consistency in cost, quality and deadlines – ensure customer satisfaction in meeting the commitments, – define, validate and allocate budgets of all functions involved in the program – ensure always the risk management, – ensure implementation M20 process (PROMPT) “pilot Programs”, – Ensure, in collaboration with the technical authority, flight safety, – ensure, as part of the process P20, the control key actions leading to compliance with project milestones. Complement of the description With the support of the program team, it will: – Make live staking program: o Validate the deliverables prior to submission review milestone o Ensure the answers and closure recommendations – Adapt the organisation & the pilotage Phases of the program Position Specifications Travel in France and abroad LOCATION Location Europe, France, Ile-de-France, ESSONNE (91) City EVRY CANDIDATE CRITERIA Education level min. required BAC + 5 Level of Experience Min. required Greater than 8 years....

    This was posted a few days ago On Safron's website......
     
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    with 50 cms smaller, an area of 19.68x35x39.8 (inches) will be vacated ...so it can carry additional fuel of 310 liters ....(that is my guess )..... what is internal fuel capacity of tejas in litres ?
     
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    While all this is certainly admirable , one has to take a holistic view of the entire situation.

    The only reason F-16 or the Gripens are under consideration today is the rapidly depleting strength of the IAF.

    All the surmises in your post & the other posters in this thread & others distinctly seem to point out to the scenario you described in this post , materializing post 2020 -22.M moreover, it's also a given that the MK-2 which will certainly materialize in a shape more acceptable to the IAF / IN will enter production in the mid 2020's

    In the meanwhile ,Where will the FA's to replenish the depleted squadron strength come from in this interim period?

    I've not seen any convincing answers to this among those subscribing to the school of thought that our future squadrons would solely consist of LCA / Rafael / Su30MKI + FGFA.

    I believe this is the dilemma at the crux of the matter which is currently engaging our DM , MoD & the IAF & that explains the reason behind why MoD chose to release a tender for a 2nd MRCA line.

    For various reasons , known & unknown - which I wouldn't want to get into given that it doesn't belong to this thread, I believe things are moving in the direction of a selection of the F-16 to be manufactured in India.
     
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    This makes sense..... and with that probably we can forget EMALS for vishal
     
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    No more fuel, because these 50cm are air intake more lenght. You can't put nothing inside !
     

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