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L&T’s home-grown technology aims to raise stealth submarine capability: Jayant Patil

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by lca-fan, Jun 17, 2017.

  1. GSLV Mk III

    GSLV Mk III Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Also DAEs annual report for 2016-17 mentions the completion of 'compact light water reactor at Visakhapatnam' @Hellfire @Agent_47 @Sancho
     
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  2. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Yes they have, the indigenous sonars seem to be good and promising for the future aa well. However, only because you know what the basic ingredients of a car are, doesn't mean you can design and build a Porsche 911, with the same performance.
    Btw, you are highly mistaken if you believe we have surpassed German naval industry, because they don't build nuclear subs. They don't have the requirement, for it, just as they don't build larger subs, which still doesn't mean they couldn't do it!
    And since European mastered AIP technology, which has proven to be superior to SSNs, in certain fields, it should be clear where they stand.
     
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  3. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    I was talking about SSKs, but with the right political backing, SSNs are available too, as we showed with Russian subs, or Brazil initially, with the procurement of hulls and ToT for a nuclear propulsion from France. It's also an open secret that Germany supports Israel with subs, that could use nuclear cruise missiles, even though the subs are SSKs and we might even see the same with China and Pakistan now.
    Our way was a good way at the time, but it was a slow one. Today we should make use of Russian sub know how and their shipyards too, to let them build at least parts of the Yasen SSGN for example, while we add the rear section with an own nuclear propulsion in India. Globalisation! => faster production of more capable subs => win win for both countries.
     
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    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Not sure if an AIP diesel electric is a Porsche, more like a Honda Civic. Besides an Indian designed and built sub with European AIP will also be a good prospect because of the savings.
     
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    GSLV Mk III Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Given that it is already being designed & only 6 SSNs being planned?
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I don't think most people understand few things.

    1. Yes. L&T is only one who can give India a basic sub design.
    2 L&T as of today, depends on lots of PSUs for their sub systems.
    3. These sub system access happens on government purview. And babus allow access to it on a needs to know basis. Or a project to project basis.
    4. SSBN projects were given to L&T for a singular reason. Which I cannot share on a public forum.
    5. There are serious push backs to giving more projects to L&T. DRDO is supposed to act as a enabler. But there are babus who decide otherwise.

    Again. All these were in play from Congress days. No BJP or Congress can influence these decisions. Yes, Deep State is in India as well.

    Howe ever, in India. Deep state serves personal agenda rather than national agenda.

    Whoever wants to dispute this post, I suggest you to bring data to back it up. I am posting this on first hand basis.
     
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    Bloom 17 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Could you give more info on point 5 please. Any hints on 4th point would be great if your willing. thanks
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    For obvious reasons, cannot give more concise info. :bad::bad:.

    Point 5. Its the age old story. Believe it or not, private Indian companies have the capability. But its in the interest of MoD and PSUs not to let them demonstrate it.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Our SSNs are based on Arihant, which makes them rather small in comparison and just as Arihant will require some time till they can mature. Having a 2nd line for SSGNs, would counter the Chinese superiority in the field and we certainly will need more hunter subs for the long run.
     
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    Those are merely guesses. There is literally no info on the public domain about the dimensions or the reactor of the Indian SSN.

    SSGN sounds like a good addition but have IN ever demanded it ?
     
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  11. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Aren't we developing and testing Brahmos VLS for that reason? One of the key shortfalls of the Akula SSN, is it's limitation to Club missiles and none of our new western SSKs so far has proper land attack capability. So getting that on our nuclear subs is a must have, even for non nuclear strikes.
     
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    From what I gather only the 1st 2 are 6000 T. After that the plans are for 9000 T, which is a conventional size.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    The current limitation is our capability to build and miniaturise sufficient powerplants for larger once. Once again a field where we should try to work more with Russia, to fasten the process. But either way, our sub fleet is in deep problems now and we need fast solutions to counter the Chinese threat, be it for conventional or nuclear subs.
     
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    Nailed it!
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Glad people do share the same viewpoint. Having been part of this Industry for few decades, it is heartbreaking to see how many Indians see Indian products as inferior.

    Industrial products need time to mature. I urge everyone to visit military and aviation museums when they go abroad. Lots of them allow inside views/tours.
    Not everything came with mm tolerance and sensor fusion in the beginning. Products evolve, not emerge.

    People shit on LCA and Arjun. "To get that much of a polished product from the get go is a miracle", this was told to me by a senior program manager from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries after a tour of Arjun Mk2.

    Sad, we shit on it on a daily basis. We enjoyed considerable peace in the last 15 years. We could have easily deployed this, improved the baseline and made a world class product.

    shoulda, coulda, woulda. :)

    And, people shitting on Congress. I suggest you to stop. BJP government is proving to be as slow as them. Again, these things are not done by politicians, But the bureaucrats. They never change.

    Also, Indian Armed forces have no concept of baseline products. Idiots of the first order.
     
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