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Latest info about Indian missiles from Dr. VK Saraswat

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by Gessler, Oct 18, 2014.

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  1. Gessler

    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    It was said long ago by Sengupta that the MKIs in the Super Sukhoi upgrade will get AL-31FP with around 20% uprated thrust.

    I'll be glad if it can achieve Mach 1 or 1.1 without afterburner, but I'm not sure about that cuz it's not clear how much of the uprate in the
    thrust will be without reheat.

    I think it's possible for Agni-VI to achieve well in excess of 8,000km by reducing the payload (removing one or two of the MIRVs), but
    this won't be possible if it's canisterized. It will have to be determined beforehand which A6 will be for longer range and which will be for
    maximum destruction within minimum range.
     
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    It's as clear as it gets...
     
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    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    Yes. Only ways to increase range of a cruise missile (without making a whole new missile) -

    1) Install a more efficient engine, so that the fuel lasts longer giving more range.

    2) Change the internal composition of the missile by swapping older electronics for newer, more compact ones so that the fuel
    compartment can be enhanced in volume. This is usually easier when the missile has a modular design.

    Infact reducing the payload also helps to increase the range, even for a cruise missile. The engine definitely uses less fuel when there's
    less weight on it...but the difference is likely to be so very minute that such a measure wouldn't be considerable.
     
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    m2monty Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    i mean how does it work ??
    can it really cripple nuclear weapons, electronic devices...??
     
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    8000 Km is pointless. From the southernmost tip of India to the northernmost tip of China 6500 Km. All we need is a missile that go up to 6000 Km, and Agni V and VI already do that. Our SLBM with 6000 Km will also allow us to target any part of China from the Bay of Bengal. More range will simply overshoot the target and the nukes will fall on Russia or Alaska.
     
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    You have a smartphone in hand, it is going to get fried. As you were growing up, you must have heard about how TVs exploded because of lightning striking the overhead antennas. It is the same thing.

    EMP is the reason why they say you shouldn't use mobile phones in petrol pumps.

    Your car is guaranteed to explode because it is not protected.
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    also when you reduce the payload on the fly

    it causes CG / balancing / Flight control problems for which a FCS which takes all such things into account is required + the control surfaces need to designed deployed in such a manner and that too will eat up fuel due to drag if not optimised at design stage
     
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    What do you mean by reducing the payload on the fly?
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    reducing payload on fly mean -

    the payload is not reduced at the time of assembly but rather in field

    i.e.

    field troops are given missiles with different types and weight of payload / warhead then

    half an hour prior to launch they mate the payload/warhead on the missiles in the field (not in the factory at time of amufacture )

    that is what i eman by reducing payload on the fly
     
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    Nirbhay is supposed to be enclosed in a hermitically-sealed canister. It can only be modified prior to being canisterized, which means before
    it is actually deployed. Once canisterized, the missile is not exposed to any external element till the point of launch. So what you're
    suggesting is not possible. Unless we do not put the missile in a canister...but then the missile's quality will deteriorate over time and
    it may or may not launch when we actually push the button.
     
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    IAF grounds entire Sukhoi-30 fleet, safety checks on

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    नई दिल्ली। भारत ने अपने फाइटर प्लेन सुखोई-30 की उड़ान पर रोक लगा दी है। हाल ही में पुणे के पास हुए प्लेन क्रेश के बाद ही यह फैसला लिया गया है। सुखोई-30 विमानों की तकनीकी जांच की जाएगी। सूखोई-30 के 200 विमानों के बेड़े को तकनीकी जांच करके क्लिनचिट मिलने के बाद उड़ान के लिए हरी झंडी दिखाई जाएगी।

    भारतीय वायुसेना ने बताया कि हाल ही में पुणे में हुए विमान हादसे के बाद बेड़े की उड़ान रोक दी गई है और इसकी जांच की जा रही है। यह पड़ताल के बाद ही उड़ान भर पाएगा। उन्होंने यह नहीं बताया कि किन तकनीकी पहलुओं की जांच की जा रही है। देश के पास मौजूद लड़ाकू विमानों के बेड़े का लगभग एक-तिहाई हिस्सा सुखोई-30 का है।

    पिछले हफ्ते एक सुखोई-30 एमकेआई पुणे के नजदीक दुर्घटनाग्रस्त हो गया था और शुरूआती जांच में पता चला कि यह हादसा मानवीय गलती के चलते नहीं, बल्कि फ्लाई-बाई तार प्रणाली में समस्या के चलते हुआ था। भारतीय वायु सेना ने प्रेस को जारी एक बयान में पायलटों विंग कमांडर एस मुंजे और फ्लाइंग ऑफिसर अनूप सिंह की भूमिका पर उंगली उठाई थी। साथ ही बताया कि सुखोई30 एमकेआई विमान दुर्घटना की जांच की जा रही है। हादसे के असल कारण के बारे में जानने के लिए कोर्ट ऑफ इंक्वायरी चल रही है। संयोगवश दो पायलटों में से एक पहले हुए एक सुखोई-30 हादसे से भी जुड़े हैं।

    पहले भी हादसों के शिकार हुए सुखोई
    साल 2009 से यह पांचवां सुखोई 30 एमकेआई हादसा है और बेड़े को पहले भी कम-से-कम दो बार उड़ान भरने से रोका जा चुका है। - See more at: हादसों के बाद एयरफोर्स ने रोकी सुखोई-30 की उड़ान, तकनीकी जांच जारी - IAF grounds entire Sukhoi-30 fleet, safety checks on -Patrika.com
     
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    i mean to say,"will emp be strong enough to counter any nuke (it destroys e-circuits) before the nuke blast " ??
    and what about its range (to counter Porks') ??
    what do you think Gessler, how mush time DRDO will take ??
    sorry for many questions and my great English.
     
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    With the missiles it is depicted as being carried by (Kh-31 & some gravity bombs), it cannot really be that useful at effecting incoming
    nukes - for that you need something like a vertical-launched missile with high apogee (altitude) that can detonate in the vicinity of the
    incoming missile outside the atmosphere, only that could potentially knock out an incoming N-tipped missile with EMP.

    Or you try to knock it out in terminal stage with a SAM or something like the PDV equipped with an EMP warhead.

    However, that is only for ballistic missiles, if you're talking about stuff like Nasr or Babur, yes, you can take them out with EMP while
    they are still on the ground. You can even knock out some non-hardened ballistic missile launch sites with EMP, but the bomb needs
    to be packed into a longer-ranged missile. Shouldn't be a problem with the 600-1,000km supersonic LRCM that can be air launched.

    You can even use Nirbhay, but any such attack would be time-critical, so best to use the LRCM with Mach 3.2 speed, at the cost of stealth.

    We should have it ready & working by the end of this decade. But don't except to read so much news about it, though. They're likely to
    keep it just as secret as the nukes.

    The uses of an EMP though, are enormous - if we can scale up it's energy enough, it can fry an entire air base, and all the aircraft, radars & comms
    within it.
     
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    Why would you want to wait for an ICBM to reach atmosphere and re-enter over your country to take action..? You can fry any ICBM when its in the silo itself.

    We could also try Kinetic Bombardment with a nuclear warhead, you will never have these on board guidance system problems. You can also fire multiple KBs at one time

    If I was the PM and was not satisfied with the US, I would modify a Super-Heavy Crude Oil Tanker much like the size of a TI Super-tanker size & fill it with 500,000 tonnes of Lithium Deuteride make it sneak into Gulf of Mexico & then detonate it.

    No Tension, Total Destruction achieved
     
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    this is what exactly I want to know .....good answer ...!!
    good knowledge ...!!
    Gessy Sir ji

    But it can work when we have missile detonator satellite with high accuracy.
    US and Israel working on it.
    wish we would have someday..... :india::india::india::india::india:

    TIME TO FIRE THE CRACKERS .....!! DIWALI KI PHIR SE SHUBHKAMAAYE !!
     
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