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LCA MK2 VS Saab Gripen-An analysis in Indian context

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by HariPrasad, Dec 30, 2016.

  1. Vijyes

    Vijyes BANNED BANNED

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    LCA Mk2 is not something I am talking about. I am explicitly saying that AMCA design phase is over and the final design has been chosen. The development for engines, avionics, radars are going side by side to save time. TD and flight worthiness will be tested without any of 5th generation abilities but just taxing and take off. It is by 2020-21. That is not exactly a 5th generation plane but flight worthiness and technology demonstrations.

    Not irrelevant as India has spent 400 million in designing FGFA. So, the design part is bound to be with India which India has definitely adapted to AMCA. AMCA is a smaller version of the stealth 5th generation aircraft and uses very similar design as that particular design reduces RCS and provides appropriate lift. The design is selected on the basis of physics and FGFA design is usable in AMCA too.

    Good luck to your insistence. F22 development was complete novelty and the biggest drawback was poor semiconductor technology before 1990s. It was only later that supercomputer and other miniature semiconductors began. The whole reason 5th generation plane was made possible was due to this digital technology gaining tract rapidly. The super computers only made serious headway around 1995. Since then, computing speed has improved by hundreds of time for the same power consumption and better coding algorithms have arisen. India has taken the leading position in IT industry including designing electronic chips, electronic coding, IT coding.

    The development process you are speaking about is just the efficient coding and adjustment. Indian IT industry is so big and strong that it has made it very easy to recruit extremely talented people in large numbers to speed up the process. It was not the case in 1990-2000. It was only after 2005 that IT industry grew like never before. And with this, the tools like CAD, MATLAB or other digital tools became much more mature. Wireless systems and sensors became more robust and mature too.

    Even with this advancement, if India takes 15+ years to get IOC for a plane after prototype begins (September 2017), then there is some serious problem.
     
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  2. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The FSED phase will run for years.

    Check again. It's not 400M.

    All irrelevant stuff.

    Normally, it should take 20 years. PAK FA design phase began in 2002. IOC is expected only in 2025.
     
  3. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    40 Tejas ordered 14 years ago.
    3 delivered. Demonstrates to CCS the capability of the HAL mafia.

    83 more ordered as a final challenge. Deliver or Junked.

    How is Tejas better than Mig 21?

    Speed?
    Climb?
    Air-Air missiles?
    Radar?
    EW?

    Name anything

    Except the off the shelf Lockheed Martin CLAW.
     
  4. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    hahahhaha ....bhai kaunsa newspaper pdta hai :p
     
  5. surya kiran

    surya kiran 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Nonsense, I am showcasing there is a role for cheap light fighters for defending territory, while having the ability to provide limited CAS operations. You are suggesting using a tempo traveller to do the job of a cab.
     
  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Which is exactly what I said =>
    But the fact remains, that everything an LCA can do, can be done by an MMRCA, while it doesn't work the other way around. That's why the top forces use medium class as the base.
     
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    surya kiran 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    At a much higher cost of operations. Which is why, the analogy of sending a truck to do a cab's role. Using the same logic, we can say, the heavy fighter can do everything the medium fighter can do. Why not remove the medium fighter and have just heavy fighters?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    And adding more capability, which is what you keep ignoring, or why you keep contradicting yourself!

    An MMRCA can do air defence or CAS with much higher capability, by adding larger radars, more EW sensors, or higher weapon loads. I even showed you on a practical example, that you need at least twice the amount of LCAs, compared to MMRCAs, to do the same CAS mission that IAF did in Kargil! So the cost is only lower when you do a 1 on 1 paper comparison, but when you take operational loads, range/endurance, or survivability to account, the lack of capability of a light class fighter in fact increases the cost!
    Not to mention that 3 types of logistics is more costly than 2 types.

    And as I said before, you are making a flawed example by pointing to light CAS roles and relating it to Tejas, because in your analogy Tejas would be the truck, since it's a multi role fighter, while your Scorpion light attack aircraft, or an armed trainer would be the cab.
     
  9. Vijyes

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    3 delivered? From where did you make this conclusion? Don't speak anything
     
  10. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    #45 squadron IAF has only 3 Tejas inducted.
     

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