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LCA NP-1 gears up for maiden flight; first EGR completed successfully

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  1. jack

    jack FULL MEMBER

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    The naval prototype (NP-1) of the light combat aircraft (LCA) did the first engine ground run (EGR) successfully. According to sources, the first EGR was conducted on September 26 at about 6.30 pm. Tests like engine integration, activation of the various systems like flight control, hydraulics, fuel, electrical and avionics were done successfully. “The aircraft will now go through a phase of refinements followed by a series of final integration checks and taxi trials, before its first flight shortly,â€￾ sources said.
    The NP-I had its roll-out on July 6, 2010 and Team ADA promised Antony that the first flight would take place before December 31, 2010.

    Link:Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Breaking on Tarmak007: LCA NP-1 gears up for maiden flight; first EGR completed successfully
     
  2. vikas jat

    vikas jat Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    hmm nice we want it as fast as possible
     
  3. ColdPlay

    ColdPlay Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Massive orders are required to sustain LCA programme.
     
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  4. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    Great News !!!
     
  5. Foxtrot

    Foxtrot Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    guys, i dont know why,....but i'm not at all excited abt this LCA thing......more advance technology jets will be in the market by the time it is put to production......it has been already too late for the program........if we were at this stage when we r today may be 10 years ago, then there was something to cheer abt......but in 2015-17......when this shit finally goes to full fledged production......the skies will be filled with F-22, F-35, T-50, FGFA, J-20........now where will this plane fit in....

    sorry to be the mood dampner........:sad:
     
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    DRDO conducts first engine ground run of LCA (Navy) prototype

    27 Sep, 2011, 04.28PM IST, PTI

    BANGALORE: The country's first indigenous effort to build a carrier borne naval fighter aircraft got a fillip with the crossing of another significant milestone of the first Engine Ground Run of the first LCA (Navy) prototype NP1, DRDO said today.

    The team steering LCA (Navy) project comprises members of Indian Navy, Indian Air Force, HAL, DRDO, Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC), Directorate General of Aeronautical Quality Assurance (DGAQA), CSIR Labs, educational institutions, and other public and private sector partners, a Defence Research and Development Organisation statement said.

    The first Engine Ground Run of NP1 aircraft, conducted at about 1830 hrs yesterday for its scheduled time, had the primary objective of checking aircraft to engine integration and activation of the various systems like flight control, hydraulics, fuel, electrical and avionics, which was successfully achieved, it said.

    "The aircraft will now go through a phase of refinements based on feedback identified during the course of the build up and also observed during the EGR, followed by a series of final integration checks and taxi trials before its maiden flight shortly", DRDO said.

    DRDO conducts first engine ground run of LCA (Navy) prototype - The Economic Times

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  7. GUNS-N- ROSES

    GUNS-N- ROSES Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    i can understand ur view. but LCA is designed to replace Mig 21 and let me tell u it is good enough platform for that. we abondoned indegenous programmes after Marut. imagine where wd we have been now had we continued to develop indegenous platforms.

    no nation is built on imported technology. we need indegenous platforms. if LCA doesnt deliever we can hope MK2 or AMCA will. but we really need to improve our project management and R&D skills.
     
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  8. Novice09

    Novice09 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    You can feel bad as this project has been delayed (too much)... but you have to agree on 1 point... technological upgrade of this platform... Only F16 is better than Tejas (comparing IAF and PAF)... and for F16 we will have SU 30 MKI, MMRCA (EF or Rafale)...

    moreover, Tejas is not that bad... it will provide technical knowledge, infrastructure, experience etc. for MCA and MK II is already on its way...

    Again I agree with you that timeline is a big question mark...
     
  9. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    That's not correct, there are more ways than pure indigenous developments like LCA was meant to be, you just need to look at China, or Turkey for example. China got techs from Russia, Israel or other western countries (lets put the way they got aside for a minute) and improved their development capabilities based on them. J11 is basically a copy of the Russian Flanker, but the J11B or the J15 also integrates many indigenous changes, be it in materials, design, radar, or avionics.
    Same goes for Turkey which is one of the emerging countries in Europe, because although they have an indigenous defence industry base, most of their new arms and techs are customised version of foreign developments, one could say similar to our MKI. The T129 helicopter for example is advertised as an Turkish helicopter, but it's actually an Italian/British design, with an new US engine and some other parts of foreign countries too. They have customised it with indigenous avionics, or weapons, but as a development, it is not comparable to our LCH and still, capabilitywise it is on par and will improve their defence industry as well and Turkey is doeing the same in so many fields! German U214 subs will be licence produced in Turkey and get some indigenous systems, they bought South Korean K2 Tank including ToT and licence production rights of some parts and integrate that into their own MBT development, just like they licence produce US helicopters, or IFV customised with own systems and weapons.
    All this gives you more experience and know how, while your forces getting lates weaponsystems in a much shorter time than if you do it all alone like we did mainly with LCA, Arjun, UAVs, Saras...
    There are other ways, we just have to use them!
     
  10. Guynextdoor

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    Niceee work. Damn the amount of learning we're getting from LCA is excellent.
     
  11. jack

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    A long weight! Bulky undercarriage delayed LCA NP-1 maiden flight; ADA-HAL burn the midnight oil baking Antony's X'Mas gift!

    By Anantha Krishnan M.
    Express News Service

    Bangalore: It's official. The undercarriage of the naval version (Naval Prototype NP-1) of India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is bulky by 400-500 kg. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), who are jointly developing the NP-1, is burning the midnight oil to iron out what they call 'nagging developmental issues.' NP-1 is a trainer with tandem seating and NP-2 will be a single-seat fighter.
    Insiders associated with the programme attributed the delay in NP-1's first flight to the undercarriage. “In September 2010, we observed that the undercarriage was over-sized. During traction-retraction and the undercarriage's incorporation into the fuselage, there were many surprises awaiting us. This is a very critical piece with the hitting impact on the ship going to be much higher,â€￾ an official with HAL's Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC) said. The official claimed that the issues related to the arrestor hook, landing gear and LEVCONs (control surfaces which allow for better low-speed handling) are being addressed completely. Interestingly, the undercarriage was built by HAL.

    With the Naval Project Team (NPT) monitoring every bit of the NP-I closely, the official told The New Indian Express that all future aircraft in the naval programme will come with a new undercarriage. In September this year, NP-1 had successfully completed the engine ground run (EGR) and the taxi trials are set to begin soon. “We will fly the NP-I with the same undercarriage making some slight corrections. If a lighter undercarriage has to be integrated at this stage, it will delay the programme further. We cannot rush the project. Young boys are putting their hearts out and working seven days a week. Making planes are not child's play,â€￾ the official said.

    Sources at ADA say that efforts are in full swing to make the fly NP-1 ahead of Navy Day (December 4). Capt Maolankar of National Flight Test Centre is likely to fly NP-1 on its maiden flight. During the roll out of NP-1 on July 6, 2010, an excited Defence Minister A K Antony had said that he was confident that the ADA-HAL-Navy team would swing it and make NP-1 fly by December end. “It will be the best New Year gift to the nation,â€￾ Antony had said then.
    With yet another New Year throttling down for a landing, it is left to be seen whether Team NP-1 can gift Antony an X'Mas gift in the form of a first flight.
    Weight and watch!

    Link:Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: A long weight! Bulky undercarriage delayed LCA NP-1 maiden flight; ADA-HAL burn the midnight oil baking Antony's X'Mas gift!
     
  12. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    40 LCA Regular+ 40 LCA Navy = 80 jets already (discounting trainers). In the end we can expect 200+ jets in service. LCA Program is officially headed for success. We've had HUGE problems, but we'll learn. Right now it's more imprtant to 'do' than 'do well'
     
  13. Agent_47

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    Still i don't see any advantage in LCA-Navy.We should first build MK2.
    For navy we have so many other options.
     
  14. TereBinLaden

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    The infamous HF-73 program which got scrapped in favour of SEPECAT Jaguar made us loose valuable R&D timeline for manufacturing Aircraft components and systems, if that ground attack bomber would have been materailised by now Tejas must have taken lesser time as most of the time is being wasted on research of know how to make the required components for the system, as Tejas is a system of systems. The good point is this time we are making a full fledged jet, (well radar and engine development sucks, and they were crucial) this must help India n her future generation fighter jet program.
     
  15. TereBinLaden

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    With China as exception, for making license copies or foreign imports might not be a solution to increasing a nations war fighting capabilities, especially when India have a neighbour like China. Foreign imports and manufacturing licensed copies are subjected to royalty paid to the seller nation making every purchase in favour of the seller. Not to mention the inability to alter even a screw position of the aircraft buy the buyer nation. With India's main concern as China, It would be hard to imagine a fighter jet strength in four digit numbers depending heavily on imports and without any successful export. For such a capabilities in the near future India would need to minimise imports of such a hardware and maximise export. Just imagine nation with say 300 jets would be making double the profit selling them to India compared to their profit in domestic sales, this might result in increase of fleet strength of the seller nation with India's money. India's ambition and completion with China implies that India need her own fighter jet to influence her strategic interest both in domestic or international politics. Not only fighter jets but other military hardware too, India can increase her diplomatic/strategic influence by offering neighbors with this hardware in opposition to a rival.

    I took the exception of China wrt J-11 because I am not sure that if China is making license copies of Sukohi or it is an self attempt of China to make a carbon copy without the consent of Russia.
     
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