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LCA Tejas Multirole Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. GSLV Mk III

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    Sure, we'll by Textron Scorpion.
     
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    From DRDO Chief Interview to FORCE on Kaveri program.
    Credits Austin,BR
    @PARIKRAMA @vstol jockey @randomradio @Abingdonboy
     
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    India or Indian forces don't have the requirement to operate thousands of km away from their home. Thus the moral of the story is what is good for USA is not naturally good for India. Better don't post irrelevant things on LCA Tejas thread.
     
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    OPINION: India needs fighters more than factories

    • 20 February, 2017
    • SOURCE: Flight International
    • BY: Flight International

    Visitors to Aero India this year could be forgiven for feeling a sense of déjà vu. Back in 2011, the soundtrack to the show was the roar of fighter aircraft as eager bidders put their jets through their paces.

    The noise was much the same this time around, with a number of repeat participants in the air display as the Dassault Rafale, Lockheed Martin F-16 and Saab Gripen all took to the skies.

    Added to that was the familiar chatter from salesmen promising combat capability and, crucially, industrial partnerships.

    Six years ago, Aero India saw the climax of the country’s medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition for 126 aircraft. This long-running saga had six actors, and featured plot twists and turns worthy of the most serpentine Bollywood epic.


    The Rafale eventually won, but after years of tortuous negotiations, New Delhi ditched MMRCA altogether over disagreements about technology transfer. Instead, 36 Rafales were ordered in a flyaway condition.

    Meanwhile, the fleet of Cold War-era MiGs that MMRCA was supposed to replace have steadily decayed, eroding the air force’s capabilities.

    The other fighter that was meant to be a substitute for some of these aging assets, the Hindustan Aeronautics Tejas, has been a poor performer for years.

    It is slowly entering service after decades of development. Measured against its own low levels, the Tejas is making progress. However, by international standards it is already obsolete.

    This year’s show saw MMRCA veterans battling for several requirements, namely an ill-defined order for up to 100 single-engined fighters, plus a navy request for information for 57 carrier-borne jets.

    Expect two things from both deals. First, a clunky MMRCA-style acronym will be applied to each. Second, the industrial participation, and technology transfer, required of manufacturers will be exceedingly high.

    Local workshare is not all bad, and highly skilled aerospace jobs are the delight of politicians globally. That said, New Delhi appears to place far too much emphasis on the industrial value of buying fighter aircraft, rather than the military purpose of their acquisition.

    Strategic imperatives cannot be comprised for the sake of economic benefit. If India’s new fighter acquisitions fail as dismally as MMRCA, the Indian air force will be staring at obsolescence.

    In wartime, a nation’s industrial policies will be cold comfort to a pilot parachuting from a crippled jet.
     
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    Just curious, how much did your MIC pay the journo for writing this article ? :lol:
     
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    I'd much rather see the MK2 program get killed, instead focus should be on making mk1 lighter and much more maintenance friendly. Take lessons from Rafale.

    ... Kaveri is real close to reality now. Focus should be on making it for LCA. In second stage make Kaveri engine lighter, increase t/w ratio by 20% n then at last make it Atleast 25% fuel efficient. This will negate the need for mk2, IMO.

    No point in wasting time with MK2, especially if it's the same single engine bs. Save time, it's easier to make LCA mk1 lighter, so it can carry more. Make it more maintenance friendly to bring down it's over-all cost and to give it a better turn around time. At last, give it a new version of Kaveri, so it can fly further, carry more and now u have a new light weight, awesome fighter.
    This will also give LCA a great export opportunities .

    If they want to gain knowledge, maybe make TD mk2 with duel engine. LCA MK1 is to Mirage, MK2 with duel engine is to Rafale.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    @PARIKRAMA @Agent_47 @Vergennes @BON PLAN @dadeechi @Ankit Kumar 001 @Gessler @Picdelamirand-oil a BLATANT piece of propoganda that is trying to undermine the entire point of the MMRCA/ fighter jet mass procurement ie to be made in India and thus support local aerospace industries now the cat is out of the bag that the F-16 can't/won't be made in India.

    Shameless.


    A few weeks ago the narrative was all about how transformational the F-16 would be if made in India and all the industrial benefits it would bring, now their lies have been called out they have to move the goal posts and NOW the narrative is; "India needs fighters, f*ck local production".
     
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    You said it.
     
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    F-16 deal was never about MII rather it is part of DTTI.

    It would go hand-in-hand with India's NSG membership.
     
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    DTTI is about make in India, but to an even greater degree. If the US isn't willing to make it in India then there is no scope for the F-16 to come under DTTI.

    By the way, the DTTI is a complete farce that has delivered next to nothing substantive thus far, even the one much touted "success" of DTTI- the G4 Javelin turned out to be a hoax and India and the US are not co-developing it as had previously been propogated, instead some Javelin tech is making it onto an Indian ATGM being developed by a private company.

    If the US thinks it can blackmail India by dangling out the NSG membership to them in exchange for the F-16 deal they are in for a rude surprise. Never has India played along with these BS games and it certainly won't under Modi.
     
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    DTTI is stuck in "pehle aap syndrome" . US wants India to sign the three foundation agreements before including major programs under DTTI while India wants to the see the substance of ToT under DTTI before signing the foundation agreements..
     
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    What do you guys think,is it a rumor or a possibility that LCA MK2 has IAF backing it.


    Also this article with some info about LCA mk 2 by Air Marshal Anil Chopra

     
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    If I understand what IAF has done so far, then I would safely "assume" IAF is waiting for the MK1A version with small significant changes its talking to HAL as part of opex convenience...

    If history has taught us anything, then with IAF not to go too much forward and seek commitment.. Rather demonstrate and ask for orders... In the same way, I certainly believe if MK1A meets expectation then IAF will order more MK1As or incremental changes version..

    Since MK2 envisions a better design , changes and perhaps will need extended testing as well, IMHO , IAF won't commit anything even mere lipservice.. Bcz if it turns out not upto their expectations or even if there is delay, IAF won't accept it at all..

    So I would rather hold my horses and bet for MK1A with our own Kaveri over anything else.

    PS- I would rather hope IAF commits to say 5-7 sqds of Ghatak/Aura then may be Mk2. Don't take me wrong, close to 2030, the LWF category should see a lot more advancements and Mk2 might have to add/modify to become Mk2A.. a story we saw already..
     
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    As on average rs 10,000/- per article
     

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