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LCA Tejas Multirole Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. sunny6611

    sunny6611 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    do u really think that HAL has any business /marketing technique ......................... ever

    what is yr suggestion to increase the range ?
     
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    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Range will improve in mk1+ and mk2 both. In mk1+ because of aerodynamic improvement INA in mk2 due to additional fuel.
     
  3. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    HAL are a bit mad:

    Project to develop unmanned variant of Tejas planes in works
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ejas-planes-in-works/articleshow/57741657.cms


    Once they get something they really run with it (ALH---> Rudra/LCH/LUH).

    I'm just not sure it is right to be devouting resources to such an effort and potentially drawing them away from the "offical" project.

    As a targetting drone it won't be a problem to create such a solution but a combat drone is an entirely different prospect and I'm not sure I see the point.
     
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  5. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Raju said, “The increased production rate will be visible from 2018 when we will be able to provide 16 planes per year under a Rs 1,300-crore expansion project (at the HAL facility in Bangalore).”

    The HAL CMD said the second part of the “increase-production plan” is to use the existing facility of the hawk trainer jets and a pilot project has already started.

    The third part involves outsourcing to private companies, thus turning HAL into an integrator – a concept adopted by leading foreign manufacturers. This will mean the Tejas fleet of 123 jets can be delivered earlier than planned.


    http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/na...body-wings-hal-to-play-integrator/379448.html
    Music to one's ears

    - 16 LCA/year (1.3/month) rate to be reached sometime in 2018
    - HAL looking to become more of a lead integrator (what many of us have been proposing for a while)

    + I think they will be touching 20-22/year by 2020 based on the three plans outlined above.


    @PARIKRAMA @Agent_47 @Hellfire @Ankit Kumar 001 @lca-fan @MilSpec @nair @Gessler
     
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  6. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Untill we get a private manufacturing line , LCA will remain limited to 123 , delivered in 10 years.
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    they are bit too ambitious ...even now they are struggling for making ucav ...and they spend 9 years for developing unmanned cheatak with israeli help but still failed
     
  8. lca-fan

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    Pvt firms to produce Tejas body, wings; HAL to play integrator

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    [paste:font size="4"]Three-pronged plan
    • Fuselage (body) and wing production work has been outsourced to three companies and these will come back with deliveries in two years
    • The second part of the "increase-production plan" is to use the existing facility of the hawk trainer jets; a pilot project has already started
    • The third part aims at turning Hindustan Aeronautics Limited into an integrator-a concept adopted by leading foreign manufacturers


    Ajay Banerjee

    Tribune News Service

    New Delhi, March 19

    In a path-breaking move, part-production of the Light Combat Aircraft, The Tejas, has been outsourced to Indian private companies, with an aim to speed up production to cover up the dwindling number of Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets.

    The IAF is operating with 33 squadrons (16-18 planes each) as against the need for 42 squadrons mandated to effectively fight a simultaneous two-front war with Pakistan and China.

    (Follow The Tribune on Facebook; and Twitter @thetribunechd)

    T Suvarna Raju, Chairman and Managing Director of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), said, “We are getting fuselage (body) made by private companies and the HAL, in future, will just be an integrator. We have outsourced fuselage and the wing production to three companies and these have to come back with deliveries in two years.”

    This was part of a three-pronged plan to speed up Tejas production, Raju said.

    There are 123 Tejas jets – in two variants — on order and HAL has an installed capacity of producing only eight planes every year. In the past, a private company made the hull (body) of the nuclear submarine INS Arihant.

    Raju said, “The increased production rate will be visible from 2018 when we will be able to provide 16 planes per year under a Rs 1,300-crore expansion project (at the HAL facility in Bangalore).”

    The HAL CMD said the second part of the “increase-production plan” is to use the existing facility of the hawk trainer jets and a pilot project has already started.

    The third part involves outsourcing to private companies, thus turning HAL into an integrator – a concept adopted by leading foreign manufacturers. This will mean the Tejas fleet of 123 jets can be delivered earlier than planned.

    The IAF is operating with 33 squadrons (16-18 planes each) as against the need for 42 squadrons mandated to effectively fight a simultaneous two-front war with Pakistan and China.
    http://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/ne...body-wings-hal-to-play-integrator/379448.html
     
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  9. lca-fan

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    Project to develop unmanned variant of Tejas planes in works

    NEW DELHI: In what would break new ground, India has started work on developing an unmanned combat version of the home-grown light combat aircraft (LCA), with a task group being constituted to study how to convert the fighter for a futuristic role.

    A team has already started work on the project to convert the LCA into a drone and India’s premier aircraft manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is confident that the project can be carried out within a short time frame.

    “We have started an internal study on making a unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) on the Tejas platform. Besides, we are confident on coming up with an unmanned version of Chetak helicopter as well,” HAL Chief T Suvarna Raju told ET.

    The Air Force has already placed orders for 123 LCA fighters and HAL is targeting a gap of 200 fighters that the Air Force will face in coming years.

    An unmanned version of the LCA could be used for cross-border strikes — missions that place a high risk on pilots in case of a ditching in enemy territory. India is also working on a project named AURA to make a futuristic combat drone that would be powered by a modified version of the Kaveri engine.

    The drone, however, is several years away as the project is still at the design stage. While unmanned LCA would be no match for a futuristic stealth drone, officials pointed that out converting a flying platform into an autonomous unit could be faster and cheaper short term option.

    The US, for example, uses unmanned F-16 fighters for aerial target practice.

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ejas-planes-in-works/articleshow/57741657.cms
     
  10. Agent_47

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    Better make Mig-21 bison airframes unmanned. LCA have enough variants to take care of already.
     
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    I remember @randomradio
    saying this is not possible. :devil:
    By 2020-21 with the conversion of hawk line and full utilisation of the new line , per year output will reach 24. :big_boss:
     
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  12. Aqwoyk

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    Both are redudant as a ucav must be silent and less detectable
     
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    http://thestrategictimes.com/hal-starts-work-on-unmanned-version-of-tejas-fighter-jet/


    In what might break new ground, India has begun chip away at building up an unmanned battle adaptation of the home-developed light combat flying machine LCA with an undertaking gathering being constituted to study how to change over the contender for a modern role.A group has as of now began take a shot at the venture to change over the LCA into an automaton and India’s chief air ship producer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is certain that the venture can be done inside a brief timeframe outline. Researchers have begun an inside review on making an unmanned battle elevated vehicle (UCAV) on the Tejas stage. Plus, they are sure on concocting an unmanned form of Chetak helicopter also The Air Force has effectively set requests for 123 LCA contenders and HAL is focusing on a hole of 200 warriors that the Air Force will confront in coming years. An unmanned form of the LCA could be utilized for cross-outskirt strikes — missions that place a high hazard on pilots if there should be an occurrence of a dumping in adversary region. India is additionally taking a shot at a venture named AURA to make a modern battle ramble that would be controlled by an altered form of the Kaveri engine.The ramble, in any case, is quite a long while away as the venture is still at the plan organize. While unmanned LCA would be no match for a modern stealth ramble, authorities called attention to out changing over a flying stage into an independent unit could be quicker and less expensive here and now option.The US, for instance, utilizes unmanned contender planes for airborne target hone.Already there are many projects on Tejas is going on. One is to make a much advanced versions of Tejas aka Tejas Mk 1A and Tejas Mk 2 , another one is to make a much advanced naval version than current LCA-N , so that it may become a capable carrier borne fighter jet. Besides work on to increase stealth capacity of Tejas is going on in full swing. And now this new project will increase the importance of HAL totally to a new level.
     
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  14. lca-fan

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    Do you know that America has unmanned F-16 program? And actually have them in USAF.

    Having said that, We are facing shortage of Fighters so HAL should first bump up IAF SQDNS with LCA then focus on off shoots.

    However if HAL wants to experiment then retired MIG21s, MIG27s are best candidates to start with if they succeed then they should definitely make unmanned LCA. WRT UCAV being stealthy, well, LCA itself is quite stealthy and if you remove pilot canopy and replace it with carbon composite it will further reduce RCS making it further stealthy.

    UCAVs like neuron are small and have less payload but if LCA is converted into UCAV it would be a BEAST.
     
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  15. An Indian

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    I think this is absolutely brilliant. The future of Air warfare will be drones vs. drones. A combat aircraft can pull tighter Gs, carry more armaments, fly so much longer and be stealthier than a manned fighter. A UCAV fighter taking on a manned fighter, I think if the drone operator can keep close control, the manned fighter can be in trouble.

    All in all, this is great thinking by HAL.
     
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