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LCA Tejas Multirole Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Again depends on the target - Cost effective

    + are they less prone to jamming
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    No, you still use guidance kits today, but don't use expensive warheads and use concrete bombs for example. That's what's many NATO countries did in Libya for example after the air defences were destroyed. Buthe precision guidance and low collateral damage is a key focus in modern warfare. Even Russia used expensive cruise missiles against IS targets and they also used their guided KAB bombs.
    But still we won't get such an areal supriority so easy, because we face very capable enemies.

    And not accurate, so while cheaper per unit you need more. That was the problem in Kargil, when unguided bombs had little effect, till IAF customised some LGB kits and succeeded with precision guided attacks.
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I think recently delievered two f414-INS6 engines are for naval Tejas prototypes NP-3 and NP-4
     
  4. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Thing is 100 smart 125 kg bombs will have equal or more effective destruction of targets than 1000 dumb bombs of 250 kg. [Varies with different conditions]

    That's a huge difference in cost and even collateral difference , plus less risk to aircrafts[Less sorties made].

    Smart is the way forward.

    We should invest in IRNSS+GLONASS/INS guided kits too as unlike laser guided munitions , they are not affected by bad weather or dense cloud coverage.

    For high value targets a TV/GPS[IRNSS+GLONASS] combined system for pin point accuracy.

    And then we also need something like Maverik , a light Air to Ground guided missile.
     
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    SR-91 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    DEBEL had developed OBOGS 2 years ago and were being flight tested. I'm going to assume this is a modified version of that system.
     
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  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    We have the Kh29 and HELINA is aimed for a fighter varient too, which imo is a critical development!
    We have seen the success of Brimstone in CAS in general, but especially wrt tank hunting. Indias enemies are know to have huge numbers of tanks and armored vehicles, which makes HELINA on multi launchers a priority. RAF Tornados took out hundreds of tanks in Libya, an LCA with Litening and HELINA could be equally effective!
     
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    Helina needs to have increased ranges to be deployed from fighters IMO, range of 7-10 km is not good enough. A bigger version with a range of 20-40 km however would be great for many roles including taking out small coast guard ships to caves, bunkers. Helina also needs many warhead types, anti tank, bunker busting, thermobaric, fuel air explosive, anti personnel air burst fragmentation etc.
     
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  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://indiandefence.com/threads/rafale-deal-signed.56201/page-222#post-551649
     
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    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    helina being fired from a fighter jet will automatically have much greater range as compared to an attack helicopter because of much higher kinetic and potential energy imparted to it by the jet flying at much higher speed and altitude of an attack helicopter.

    what we need is a different seeker that can lock on to targets at that range.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Helina will finally evolve to be Indian Brimstone.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    That's the hope, but it's still DRDO who is developing it.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    If you look at what DRDO is doing recently, you will find that they are developing weapons similar to what will be fitted on F-35 like Astra is fit for internal carriage, we have SAAW, now Helina and finally ASTRA Mk2 will probably come with IR and RF seeker versions with much longer range.
     
  13. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The SAAW pics and speculations that are going around are based on PSK / Trishul Blog reports, which stated that it is based on Israeli SPICE 250 (which itself is only under development). Moreover, developing retractable fins is not a big deal, so saying they are meant for F35 lets it sound like the weapon is something special, but neither is Astra fully developed yet, nor does it offer game changing capabilities. So let them develop the basics first and let them make them successful, before they jump into ego mode again and want to develop something best in it's class.
    A mediocre Astra to properly replace R77, a mediocre Sudarshan to replace US and Israeli LGBs and a working Helina on quad launchers for LCH is more than enough for now.
     
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  14. Agent_47

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    You call tender documents speculations?

    Who will take PSK serious anyway.
     
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  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    No, I doubt the pics of SAAW from his report. I do think they develop such a weapon, but I have some doubts on his claim that it will be SPICE 250 based.
     
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