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LCA Tejas Multirole Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    Tejas's debut at Republic Day parade happened this year and it was a great honor and pride for the entire team. The 45 Sqn was in charge of performing the task. One fighter and one trainer from prototype hangar were part of the team. Seen here are LA-5003, LA-5002, LA-5001, KH-T2010 (PV-6) and KH-2013 (From L to R) lined up prior to taking off in one of the rehearsal day.
    Jai Hind..

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    Bregs Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    well bro the amount of time, energy and money india is putting in single engine fighter tender shall be used for tejas and rest of money saved from it shall be used for procuring more Rafales. Just for having some strategic gains that too from unreliable country as US we have jeopardised many of our defence projects
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    Absolutely bro! I don't know what India is trying to "buy" from the US, apparently this $10-15Bn for F-16s will buy some sort of influence with the US or is some sort of payment for the US supporting India's NSG bid? That's according to certain armchair analysts on certain forums but I am skeptical and if this is true why this special treatment for the US? Does India dole out tens of billions to others just to curry favour? There are other ways to do so other than giving such enourmous sums for products that are unwanted and unneeded.

    The Kaveri AND LCA projects have got this far with but a fraction of the figure the GoI is willing to pay for these SE jets from abroad; around $2.5-$3b so far, just 30% or so of the supposed budget for the SE procurement. Imagine what gains the LCA and Kaveri project could have made with 3-4 times the funds they have had! And the same people who are calling for the IAF to get these SE jets will also insult and abuse the LCA/Kaveri/DRDO. It's absolutely disgraceful, the LCA project has single-handedly created a domestic aerospace industry in India capable of designing, producing, testing and validating advanced aviation products.

    To think an of the shelf procurement, and that too from the US, will bring benefits even a fraction of this is absurd and the biggest joke is that India is willing to pay 3-4 times the ammount to get LESS long term benefits! A truly truly preposterous mindset that is borne out by a deep inferiority complex that worships the foreigner and all they do.

    Sadly, these so-called "nationalists" are not proving to be any different to those they replaced in power.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    That's a false comparison, since no amount of money can get you the required know how and experience we lack. Funding was certainly not the issue for the Kaveri failure, nor of the numerous problems in the LCA project.
    And again, LCA is a level below the SE competitors, so has no relation to them!
     
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    Ya that's why after sucessfull High altitude test of the Kaveri in Russia, the GTRE team waited for the 3 years for the release of the funds, by the bureaucrats for the further R&D and fuel for further testing. For the turbofan engine development, you not only need to invest in the GTRE division, but required to invest in the Institutions to produced the researchers, Scientists and engineers, High Precision Manufacturing Industries, Metallurgical Know How. How much effort did the govt. layed as compared to the China.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    The fact that the engine runs, doesn't make it successful, it needs to deliver the power that was required and must be reliable. Kaveri failed in both accounts and the project was stopped to not waste more money.
    Also, it's strange that we always point to China to justify so called indigenous developments, when we know exactly how dependent they are on foreign know how and what effort they took to get it! They still pay plenty of money to Russia for engines, they pay plenty of money for Russian products, they pay plenty of money for foreign know how via procurement of companies or techs and they pay plenty of money for reverse engineering. All this is not indigenous development and if they had our access to foreign arms or partnerships, they would buy plenty of stuff directly as well, instead of all the effort to copy them.
    Their advantage is their enormous industrial skill, but certainly not development and innovation (for now). We on the other side, still fail at project management level, which is one of the areas LCA suffered the most.
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    What is ACH?
     
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    The fact is that the Kaveri have achieved its designed Goal, and can power LCA , CAT, LIFT, Trainer and not Combat, because now, the requirement increases the Wt. thus more thrust required.

    Point was that the Kaveri Project was adequately financed, as claimed by you, so pls mentioned the amount of the money spend on the M88 by the french and the funds released for the GTRE so far (obviously phased manner, since GOI don't want to take risk). We are only doing the catch up of the technology, and could never catch up, unless we force it to happen like pressing hard and putting the money to speed up the development, because of these facts

    1. The technology keeps on evolving, and by the time, we achieve something, the better product will be always there with better technology and R&D.
    2. GTRE can't do anything if you don't have researchers and scientific human resource, you can't do much testing if you don't have the fuel because the file for cost estimate is lying in from of a clerk who knew bullshit of a turbofan engine and trying to figure out that fuel oil and lubricants and hydraulic oil are different.
    3. GTRE don't do research on metallurgical alloys and don't design CNC and automotive manufacturing precision machines.
    4. GTRE cannot ask the GOI to import precision machines from Japan with whom India have good relationship and from were China procured sUch machines in the disguised way, from the Japanese Industrial Giants and reverse engineered to produced now their own , which is no way the job in couple of days, rather DECADES. Didn't GOI is informed when the dual use technology transfer game of China is opened is already well documented. Chi a hired Jobless engineers and scientists of former USSR and bridge the technological gap he had with the india, because for your sake of knowledge this is not the GTRE first engine which is been designed and INDIA did had better excess to the international LABS and institution and research papers.
    5. Last but not the least, no OEM is going G to give you the very technology which the developed Investing billions of dollar and the o e from which they earn their livings.
    Who told you that India didn't seek help from other countries, but no one is going to sell you the technology but you need to fail try fail try to achieve the goal, and the research should not be bound like the present form I.e funds for X phase because the research should continue and even if the engine would have successfully mated that too would have become absolute because no fund would have been given for the further improvement.
     
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    Leave him. He is false flagger behind the VPN.
     
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    Advance Combat Hellicopter.
     
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    what exactly is that ?
     
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    Combat version of Dhruv, Rudra customized for the Anti Armored role.
     
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    I think he is hinting that hal will try to make most of the changes requested for mk1a in FOC aircrafts itself.
    Kudos if true.Or is there some other interpretation I am missing.
     

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