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LCA Tejas Multirole Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. bharathp

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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/09/indias-tejas-set-for-fresh-missile-fight.html
     
  3. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    How do Python5 and ASRAAM compare against each other?
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    In simple terms, the P5 is more maneuverable, ASRAAM has longer range.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Asraam is the more modern design, including TVC and similar to MICA it had an aim on longer range too, but for WVR combats mainly. In combination with an IRST system, that can detect and ID an enemy up to 40Kms away, it offers the first launch advantage over other shorter range IR missiles.

    The issue here however is (if Livefist is to be believed), that ADA chose a missile without consulting the customer of LCA? How on earth is that possible and can we give the world more reasons to believe we are an incompetent 3rd world country in the aviation field?
    After R60, R73 and at least partially Python V, Asraam would be the 4th WVR missile that we integrate to LCA, without having the fighter in operational service, which is insane!!!
     
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  6. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Do Israeli use pyt
    Prasun Sengupta says ASRAAM cannot be integrated with TARGO HMDS which is selected for Tejas. He uses the logic of optronic guidance which cannot be used for IIR seekers.

    Need a technical explaining of the same.
    "https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/09/indias-tejas-set-for-fresh-missile-fight.html

    “The selection of the Python-5 by the LCA’s governing body ADA precedes the IAF’s selection of the MBDA ASRAAM, a contest in which it defeated the Python-5, in addition to the Diehl IRIS-T and Raytheon AIM-9X Sidewinder.”

    This is the reality, as revealed by the CAG’s Report: “It was only in December 2009 the Air HQ communicated the requirement of specific BVR missiles viz. Derby and Python-5 Missiles on LCA as part of the FOC. Air HQ had given (July 2011) go-ahead for integration of Derby and Python missiles. ADA placed (December 2011) a Purchase Order on M/s Rafael Advanced and Defence Systems Ltd, Israel for supply and Integration of Derby & Python Missile on LCA-Air Force/Navy at a total cost of US$21.2 million with a delivery schedule of 20 months which was revised (June 2013) to 34 months (i.e. up to October 2014). BVR integration activities were undertaken by them only after concluding contract in December 2011.”

    The one & only reason why the AIM-132 ASRAAM was selected by the IAF for the Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 was that it was the only SRAAM that was compatible with the overwing pylon ejectors that were supplied by UK-based COBHAM. Furthermore, the SRAAM chosen for the Tejas Mk.1/Ml.1A needs to be integrated with the HMDS, i.e. with the TARGO HMDS from ELBIT Systems. ASRAAM isn’t compatible with TARGO & ASRAAM can be used only with the BAE Systems-developed HMDS. That’s the reason why the IAF & IN had specified Python-5 for the Tejas Mk.1/Mk.1A & the LCA (Navy) Mk.1. Nor has HAL or the IAF issued any RFI/RFP for any new HMDS for the Tejas Mk.1A, which means the TARGO HMDS is now standard fit for the Tejas Mk.1A. And the same will be the case with the HAL/BAE Systems-developed Combat Hawk too, which explains why MBDA is now making a last-ditch but futile effort to market the ASRAAM by inviting such ‘desi patrakaars’ to an all-expenses paid marketing junket. In return, these ‘desi patrakaars’ will willingly throw all known laws of physics into the dustbin & start peddling FAKE NEWS. "
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Tejas doesn't have the Targo helmet but the Dash V and even the Jaguars are meant to get that too. So without a credible explanation why that should not be possible, I would take that with a pinch of salt. He is a great source for official specboards and Infos, but his conclusions are completely useless.
     
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    He specifically mentioned Tejas mk1a. However would ASRAAM be compatible with Dash? Any literature available on Dash being used on Tejas.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    I would question his logic first and ask, why any helmets would not be compatible to a specific IR missile? Targo 2 HMS is now the helmet for Qatari Rafales with MICA IR, Brazilian Gripen E with, A-Darter, Iris-T, or Python V. So why would it be compatible to 1 missile but not the others?

    http://forceindia.net.in/HeadUpEyesOut.aspx
     
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    Can Wrap up LCA-Tejas Production in 3 Years: HAL Chief
    Published September 30, 2017 SOURCE: RAUNAK KUNDE / NEWS BEAT / IDRW.ORG T.

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    Suvarna Raju Chairman of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) speaking to CNBC-TV18 said that HAL can scale production of LCA-Tejas from 16 aircraft to 24 aircraft per annum if its Tier 1 and Tier 2 Suppliers of Wings, Front, and Rear fuselage can scale up their production line. Raju said that orders for 83 Tejas MK-1A placed by Indian Air force can be wrapped up in just over 3 years if we can produce 24 aircraft per annum. Raju also confirmed that 5 more LCA-Tejas Serial Production aircraft will be delivered to Indian Air Force by end of this Fiscal year (FY17-18). SP-10 and SP-11 LCA-Tejas aircraft can be seen already on the assembly rig and SP-7 and SP-8 can be seen in Final Assembly hangar and it is anticipated that it could complete its maiden first flights in coming weeks. Raju also said that LCA-Tejas Trainer aircraft could also be marketed to Indian Air Force as a Trainer aircraft to train future fighter pilots. if accepted LCA-Tejas Trainers aircraft will not only be used to train pilots how to fly LCA-Tejas but also other aircraft in the air force fleet. Known as Lead-in fighter training (LIFT) concept which uses Supersonic trainer jets to train new pilots for a smooth transaction from subsonic trainer jets to frontline fighter jets has been introduced in some advance airforce around the world. IAF recently moved to Two-Stage Pilot training program after HAL developed HJT-36 Intermediate jet which was to replace aging Kiran MK2 aircraft in Stage-2, was rejected by Indian Air Force after it failed to clear Stall and Spin trials, which are considered absolutely necessary for trainer aircraft certifications.

    http://idrw.org/can-wrap-up-lca-tejas-production-in-3-years-hal-chief/#more-149485 .
     
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    So Raju is promising 5 LCAs in next 6 months, excluding SP5. I don't believe him.
     
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    Never spotted this bulge at the front, any idea ?
     

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