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LCA Tejas Multirole Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Can somebody tell me which is the second jet in this pic, is it Tejas with some other specifications in initial days?
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Its HF-73.
     
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    Successful Flight Tests For the Active Array Radar Offered by Thales to HAL’s Tejas
    October 16, 2017 forceindia 0 Comment
    The tests conducted during summer 2017 at the Cazaux air base in France focused on metrological analyses of the radar performance.
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    Thales has developed an active array radar that meets the specific needs of HAL, to equip the 80 Tejas Mk1A multirole LCA operated by the Indian Air Force. The radar has successfully completed an initial flight test campaign designed to measure its performance level.

    In order to meet the needs of the Indian manufacturer HAL, Thales is offering a lightweight, compact active array radar. The latter is a result of Thales’ expertise as regards the development and mastery of active array technologies – as demonstrated by the RBE2 radar installed on Rafale – combined with the operational reliability of this combat-proven technology. The RBE2 radar has actually been operated by the armed forces since 2012.

    The tests conducted during summer 2017 at the Cazaux air base in France, on a test bench aircraft, focused on metrological analyses of the radar performance. These test flights proved that the radar is fully operational and perfectly corresponds to the specific requirements of HAL for its combat and air superiority missions. It is therefore ready and able to adapt to the tight schedule imposed by the Mk1A LCA.

    Thales radar is an advanced Fire Control Radar (FCR) designed for air-to-air superiority and strike missions, based on fully solid-state Active Electronically Scanning Array (AESA) technology, enabling the radar to achieve long detection ranges, high mission reliability and multi-target tracking capabilities.

    “In four months, thanks to our solid, proven experience with the RBE2, we’ve been able to carry out successful flights to test the performance of the key features of the radar which we’re offering for the TEJAS Mk1A light fighter. This is a clear guarantee of its extremely high degree of operational reliability, immediately, and clearly sets us apart from our competitors as regards to this call for tender”, said executive vice-president, Defence Mission Systems activities, Philippe Duhamel.

    The Thales radar is compliant with the requirement and provides simultaneous modes of operation supporting multi-mission capabilities for air-to-air, air-to-ground and air-to-sea operation modes, and weapon deployment.
     
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    Why I have a feeling French have smelled the potential India and IAF/ IN has and are now falling in line and coming back with vengeance. They may have sensed how big the Indian pie is and now they don't want to share it with others. So not only they want to sell Rafales they're now trying to get onto LCA Mk1A bandwagon too. :mrgreen:
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    What French are doing now is what they shud have done much earlier. They can't afford to let F-16 or Gripen be inducted in IAF as that will eat into the orders for Rafale. By supporting LCAMK1A and turning it in to a formidable fighter, they might be able to kill the issue of SE class tender and emerge as partners for AMCA too while being able to sell over 200 Rafales to IAF and nearly 100 to IN.
     
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    sir these days they must have been using 3d printing to make such models for wind tunnel testing
    they must be more accurate compare to these metal models
     
  7. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Yes and making corrections is over night job. But analysing the data and finding solutions is very time consuming.
     
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    Sir, how accurate were those hand crafted metal models?

    We didn't have today's technologies, facilities and ecosystem that we have established during the Tejas development and neither we had the kind of skilled manpower nor we had such deep pockets that was required for such a mammoth endeavor. Where do we stand in terms of Aircraft designing?
     
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    They were as accurate as the 3D models of today but took time get it accurate.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Exactly, in fact that was the most logical thing to do, directly after they were selected in MMRCA, to focus on commonality to LCA and increase sales further. But just as in MMRCA, they missed the big opportunity to struck large deals without competitions and direct involvement in the Indian defence market.
    And don't make the mistake to see this as support for LCA! Thales is responding to a global tender, just as Saab did and most likely Elta or Phazotron. It would be very ironic though if they win and have to produce the radar at HAL. :mrgreen:
     
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    They probably never expected a SE tender and got completely taken by surprise. They had actually initially thought to even cannibalise LCA orders for mose Rafale order but yahaan toh laynay kay daynay kee nobat aagayi.
     
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  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    No doubt about that, it is evident that Dassault took the deal for granted after the selection of Rafale and I'm pretty sure Reliance had it's role in their too, when they tried to play us. But once again, priorities changes when a new government comes in, as seen in Brazil as well and the NDA government is focused on political deals, rather getting IAF or IN the best fighter.
    Either way, LCA won't play a role in the medium class requirement, all it offers, is possible commonality of systems to other fighters in the fleet.

    EL 2052 for example would mean:
    80 x LCA MK1A + 58 x Jags with the same radar.

    RBE 2:
    80 x LCA MK1A + 36 to 72 x Rafale

    Raven:
    80 x LCA MK1A + 114 or more x Gripen E

    F16 B70 can be ruled out for commonality I guess.
     
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    These are very early days regarding SE selection and even the so called cooperation with USA. If French can help refine the internals of LCA to increase the fuel capacity to say about 2.75tons and add CFTs to it, I can say with guarantee that LCA MK1A will come out on top of both Gripen NG and F-16 Blk70.
    LCA from the very beginning was required to replace Mig-21s/23s/27s in AD and CAS roles. IAF selected Jags for DPSA role which has now been enhanced by SU-30MKI and Rafales. Let French push for and make right noises about LCA Mk1A. Once F-16 is out of the way, they have not just Jag & M2K replacement market of IAF but also sell more to build up the squadron strength.
    HAL has finally woken up and has created a tier-1 and 2 base to speed up production of LCA. Depending on how well French are able to help LCA and how far that will help kill this SE tender, I can safely say a number of about 300 each for LCA MK1A and Rafale and best part will be that France will be part of all of these 600 aircraft.
    let the jurnos in France start writing articles about how LCA can be the third alternative in the SE tender and better one. They can use the comparison tables I created here.
     
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  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Again, there is no French help for LCA, but a response for a radar and EW tender!
    So forget the baseless dreams and stick to reality and the question which radar and EW would be the most capable or suitable for LCA MK1A.
     
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