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LCA Tejas Multirole Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Its long enough to allow for two meteors of 3.7m length. Do you get it? The 800l tank is five meter long FYI.
     
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    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    It's not the length, it's the width. And for twin arm, you need separation also. There is literally no gap between the drop tank and landing gears in the center.

    Whereas this can climb to four BVR very quickly.
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    In the same configuration, the E can carry 4 250Kg LGBs or 4 JSM class missiles.

    After all it is about range and payload. The IAF is going to see it as they need 2 LCAs for every Gripen for a strike mission. And for every Gripen, they need 1 less Rafale, which is even more expensive.

    Lastly, I think Saab will bring down the empty weight of the Gripen E to 7T. It's the Demo which weighs 8T empty. The Demo was built with an over-engineered landing gear and still managed to clear Leh trials.

    When Vianney asked Saab for loaded weight info, they refused to give it to him.
    https://twitter.com/jrvianney/status/875368059938238465

    So I would recommend doing your calculations for a 7T empty Gripen.
     
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    cannonballs FULL MEMBER

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    But then what about EW pods that it has to carry externally aswell.
     
  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    wait and watch. just like M2K, we will see some sensors in the LE of LCA design between the split slats.
     
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    dadeechi Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    We cannot take what we read/see in news at face value.

    We can debate if Parrikar left on his own or was asked to leave but it has no value. What is important to understand is that the circumstances were created where he could not continue.

    If LCA is still alive today then the full credit goes to Parrikar. He was instrumental in pushing IAF to accept/provide the IOC and push HAL on Mk1A.

    He also deserves full credit for pushing the case with Russia on improving the spares position thereby improving the availability of SU-30MKIs.

    But the problem was both LCA & SU-30MKI projects are managed by government entities which meant that there is no involvement of the MIC lobby.

    Parrikar was able to control the DAC but not CCS where MIC lobbies were active.

    With the departure of Parrikar now both DAC & CCS are under the influence of MIC lobbies. This is bad news for Tejas.

    Tejas would now survive only if one of the influential private entities is made the key stake holder. Hence is it important to transfer the ownership from HAL to a private player as the lead integrator who would fight the case for LCA.

    This can neither be TATAs nor Adanis as they have a direct conflict of interest due to their involvement in the single engine tender.

    This is where Reliance comes in and is better placed to take over the Tejas program from HAL.

    Also, RAFALE offsets supporting Kaveri 2.0 directly incentivises Reliance/DA/Safran in making Kaveri 2.0 and Tejas a success story.
     
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    proud_indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Shekhar Singh 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Great Sir, explained in most accurate way. Sir have another question to ask @Sancho. Why having medium class is superior to light class? And with same logic why can't we use all heavy class fighters instead of medium class.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    In 1981, Israelis destroyed the Iraqi nuke reactor. They had F-15s and also F-16s in their fleet. Only F-16 was found to have the range to do this mission. F-15s were not even considered fit to do the escort role.
     
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    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    He means each category has its own role.
    One cannot substitute other.
     
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    Shekhar Singh 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Tanks Sir, I have asked this question because @Sancho always criticize tejas for not being a medium class fighter.
     
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    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    He is a big enthusiast than us, to the level of designing a fighter..

    rest assured he is wishing the best for our country .
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    It's remains to be wrong, because LCA is not dependent on Uttam or Kaveri, but suffered from the failures of indigenous radar and engine developments.
    Saving LCA means, forgetting about pride, but doing what is needed to get MK1A ready as fast and as possible and developing the MK2 upgrade to make the 123 ordered fighters, operationally viable.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Can you show me where I did that? I am constantly doing the opposite, by pointing out that Tejas has nothing to do with MMRCAs, just because it has the same number of engines like F16 or Gripen E and that IAF has dedicated requirements for light and medium class fighters.
     
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    When you don't have an industry it is easy to be highly impressed by other successes. Like When ISRO guys were flying the SLVs they'd have loved all Airanes even if they huge issues (hypothetically). I kind of think the guys in Rajasthan were smitten by the mirage and though 'if we could do something like it wouldn't it be swell'. Now that we are down the line a lot we get more comfortable about neutrally looking at things.
     
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Which still doesn't make any sense, because length is not the issue, but width!
    The centerline station has size limitations because of the gear bays on each side of it. That why the centerline can only carry smaller fuel tanks 725l btw and not the larger 800 and 1200l tanks.
    So it neither has the space to have 2 let alone 3 stations like Gripen E and even a twin pylon will work only if the width of the pylon and the missiles fins, fits between the gear bays.

    Your claim about M2K and Gripen E is flawed for the same reason too.
    Size limitations won't allow M2K to carry Meteor missiles on the fuselage stations, that's the prime reason for the MICA NG upgrade, to keep the M2Ks capable enough.
    Also the centerline station can carry only a single weapon, while Gripen E can carry up to 2 x 1000Kg LGBs.
    So Gripen E can carry higher payloads, which is why it's much closer to Rafale in operational terms.

    LCA MK2 is planned with no increase in hardpoints and no change of the gear bay either, which means it always will remain limited in load capabilities, just like any other light class fighter.
     

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