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LCA Tejas Multirole Aircraft

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Dark_Prince, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    So many lies in article

    Tejas stopped 4 Times to refuel to Bahrain

    I could spend hours dissecting this trash but I have a life.
     
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    Flyboy! Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Its true. The planes belly landed twice in the arabian gulf to refuel from off shore oil installations.
     
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  3. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    @randomradio

    This is more accurate reading of the situation. And why I said that the program is being killed as HAL refuses to ramp up production rate (hint: it can not :D)
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    What is the point of the range here? We are not ferrying .. and it is the combat range that will be determinant in war
     
  6. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    There's a lot of misinformation there. HAL has not refused to ramp up production rate. You are talking about the situation after 2011, the fake IOC. ADA asked HAL to ramp up production and HAL refused then.

    HAL could begin production process only after the LCA achieved IOC. IOC was achieved only in Dec 2013, and HAL delivered the first IOC compatible jet in Dec 2016. That's pretty good because the aircraft can only be manufactured after certification. Even Rafale's delivery is 3 years after signature. Getting to IOC was ADA's responsibility, not HAL's.

    HAL is on track to deliver the first squadron of 20 aircraft by 2018.

    2017-18: 8 aircraft will be delivered. They are already assembling SP-10.
    2018-19: 10 aircraft. Extra capability for 1 more jet.
    2019-20: 16 aircraft. Extra capability for 3 more jets.

    Expanding the production line is easy after that. 8 more can be added if more aircraft are ordered, although I find more orders extremely unlikely.

    Rafale: 36 aircraft to be manufactured
    Signed: Sept 2016
    First delivery: Sept 2019
    Last delivery : March 2022
    Total = 5 years 3 months for 36

    LCA: 40 aircraft to be manufactured
    IOC: Dec 2013
    First delivery: Jan 2015
    36th aircraft: March 2020
    Total = 6 years 3 months for 36

    I don't see anything strange. I think all 40 jets can be delivered by March 2020 because of the extra capability.

    Anyway, this is what I think's gonna be in our future:
    LCA: 123 jets before 2027
    Rafale: 162 jets before 2032
    Gripen: 114 jets before 2032

    These are my minimum numbers.
     
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  7. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I’m not making a point about anything

    I’m exposing the fake parts of this article paid for by the DPSU Lobby
     
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  8. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Sigh!

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    Source: Indian Defence Review Vol 29.4 (Oct-Dec 2014)

    Now, order of Mk1 was placed in 2014, right? How many have been inducted? And what is the likely induction date of mk1?


    The only misinformation is being done by the DPSU itself. I rest my case

    :D
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Oi, don't waste your time on Bharat Karnad write ups ... we don't take them seriously. :D
     
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  10. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Combat range of every aircraft varies based on the kind of load and amount of load its carrying plus the profile that it is going to fly. So all the talk of combat radius and tejas being lowered range are wrong. I had shown the calculations here, tejas has better fuel fraction and fuel fraction is a very solid benchmark to judge the ferry range and combat radius of an aircraft.
    F-16 B70 with just internal fuel has a combat radius marginally LESSER than LCA.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The issue was .... and I have been saying it since last year - this will be a political call. Killing LCA started sometime back, by allowing a feet dragging by HAL to be perpetuated.

    IAF is simply a scapegoat.

    The requirement of commonality of equipment across India-Japan-US-Israel-Australia will be the next rationale .... and that is the actual rationale at play. Also, please remember that Arjun was killed by the DRDO going in for 7 tons addition to weight and again the same calculus of commonality of platform (reported rumors of Indo-US-Israeli JV for Combat Vehicles) will be it's death knell too.
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    When we civilians are badly Hurt that Our Snipers have Poor Guns as compared to
    the pakistani Snipers ; as seen recently on the LOC

    why would the country ever accept the Loss of its Pilots
    or Worse the Loss in a war Due to Inferior equipment

    This old Poem is still Relevant Today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Want_of_a_Nail
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    For Want of a Nail

    For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
    For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
    For want of a horse the rider was lost.
    For want of a rider the message was lost.
    For want of a message the battle was lost.
    For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
    And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Nobody cares. And I am honestly telling you that.

    Are you aware that post-Uri we had deficiency of ammunition because a large consignment of the 5.56mm ammunition produced by OFB was recalled for being defective? That units had not more than 80% authorised personal weapons in some instances due to backloading of 9 mm Carbines and no replacement?

    Where do I start? i do not want to wash dirty linen in public.
     
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  14. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    I agree with the delays LCA has faced, but that's not HAL's problem.

    Even then SP-10 is in assembly stage, that is the 10th aircraft in the series. They will deliver all 8 in a few months.

    I already gave you the dates.
    2017-18: 8 aircraft will be delivered. They are already assembling SP-10.
    2018-19: 10 aircraft. Extra capability for 1 more jet.
    2019-20: 16 aircraft. Extra capability for 3 more jets.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    What would be more important is commonality between all the navies. I don't see the point of commonality among armies and air forces. I find it unrealistic anyway. India will operate different ships, subs and aircraft than the other three. At best, they can expect the IN to follow NATO compatibility.

    DRDO didn't increase weight because they wanted to. That was the limits of the technology of the time.
     
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