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Legacy of British Rule Is Still Holding India Back

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  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Legacy of British Rule Is Still Holding India Back
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    Tyler Cowen is a Bloomberg View columnist. He is a professor of economics at George Mason University and writes for the blog Marginal Revolution. His books include “The Complacent Class: The Self-Defeating Quest for the American Dream.”
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    One of the most common debates I hear about India is whether British colonialism has been good or bad for the country’s economic prospects. Defenders of British rule often cite the construction of the railroads, or the spread of the English language, but as time passes the evidence mounts that India would have been much better off on its own.

    That’s of relevance for the shouting match, but it also bears on how optimistic we should be about India today. If you view the colonial period as a harmful aberration, you will tend to think India can catch up as it leaves these distortions behind. Conversely, if you see British rule as a plus, you may worry that India will eventually lose some of that inherited dynamism.

    QuickTake India’s Aspirations

    Consider living standards in the colonial period. For much of the 18th and early 19th centuries, under British rule, Indian economic performance was mediocre at best. It has been estimated that the yearly agricultural wage was higher in 1810 than in 1946. It’s difficult to prove how much of that decline was because of the British, but it is hardly a ringing endorsement.

    Economic performance picked up in the latter part of the 19th century, yet India was still desperately poor at the time of independence in 1948, with a literacy rate of only 16 percent. Since then, India has begun to catch up to the West, and after the reforms of the 1990s the country has often grown at 6 percent to 8 percent, a rate never possible under British rule.


    Furthermore, the democratic version of India has taken much greater care to avoid famine, as pointed out by Nobel laureate Amartya Sen. The Indian parliamentarian Shashi Tharoor, in his recent book “Inglorious Empire: What the British did to India,” estimates that unnecessary deaths by famine, under British rule and due largely to neglect, ran in the range of 30 million to 35 million people.

    One big difference in the post-colonial period is that a democratic Indian government endeavored to invest more in the health and education of more citizens, however imperfectly this was implemented. The British, in contrast, supplied fewer public goods and too often the expenditures were directed toward defending British rule, extracting revenue or ensuring India as a captive market for British goods. The deindustrialization of India was a conscious British policy from the 18th century onward; in 2017, we have a good understanding how hard it can be for communities to recover from the loss of manufacturing jobs.

    Another way to make the historical comparison is to consider which Southeast Asian economy never fell under colonial rule. That would be Thailand, which has a per capita income in the range of $16,300 by World Bank estimates, compared with India’s $6,100. Again, that single comparison is not dispositive, but it hardly favors the British record in India. If you are looking for the upside of British colonialism, you are more likely to find it in the wealthier and better-treated Singapore or Malaysia.

    Another possible comparison is between British-ruled India and India’s “native states,” namely the numerous territories and principalities where British involvement in direct rule was minimal. To be sure, those regions still were embedded in a broader nexus of British control, and there is no comprehensive database. Nonetheless, historian Jon Wilson, in his recent book “India Conquered: Britain’s Raj and the Chaos of Empire,” offered this assessment: “Economic growth and institutional dynamism occurred in the places that were furthest from the rule of British bureaucrats.” For instance, Tata Steel Ltd. put India’s first modern steel plant in Jamshedpur, a tributary area outside of British rule. Another study found that the independent areas had better performance in terms of education and health care during the post-colonial era.

    What then of the positive British contribution? The English language and the railroads and irrigation canals do count, but India could have obtained some of those gains through trade and cross-cultural exchange. And for all the vaunted advantages of English, by many estimates only about 10 percent of the Indian population can speak the language. That is another way of seeing that the British rulers invested only small amounts in public goods and education.

    Finally, Tharoor chronicles how the British pitted religious and ethnic groups against one another to cement their rule and weaken potential opposition. This disunity reached its nadir during the Partition period, when between 1 million and 2 million people lost their lives through the violence connected with the split of India and Pakistan.

    Maybe it’s time to see British rule in India as the horror it really was.

    This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
     
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    Interesting and partly true as non can verify the growth if India was left alone with Raj rule or would they be existing still as princely states or would have merged and become a formidable force.

    Can see some of our Brits counterparts fuming...
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    "Pitted religious groups against each other."

    Wow, so we're responsible for Islamic extremism in India?:facepalm:

    He cites Singapore and Malaysia as positive examples in the region. And there's also Hong Kong. All of which were under British Rule for longer than India and all of which have higher GDP/Capitas. 70 years after independence I think people need to start taking responsibility for their own achievements and quit making tired excuses. Will these excuses still be valid in another 30 years? What's the expiry date exactly?

    How much does India invest in the education of its own citizens right now? Does an average IQ of 82 suggest it's investing enough? These are the questions you should be asking.
     
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    There are infact contless examples of British trying to create conflict between Hindus and Muslims Indians.
     
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    About the IQ part, you just need to look at your own classrooms where there are immigrant Indian children learning alongside British and topping them in everything to know what the IQs of Indians are.
    Your faked statistics hold no value.
    Now don't tell me that is because they are kids of the well off Indians who are educated.
    Those migrants Indians are people who were infact incompetent to land a job/education in Bharat, so they migrate, as is the cae with university education in Bhart also.
    If they don't get it here, then they look outside, because usually western syllabus is very easy for Indians.
    See, the 'superior' Anglo-Saxons don't need to learn calculus in 8th standard.
     
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    And how come latter are still at it now then?
     
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    So what you're saying is that Indians are better off under British rule then? My point was about the poor average standard of education in India not the ability of Indians to learn.

    What faked statistics?

    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
     
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    Well it is obvious that the website you posted is biased against Indians.
    We don't need your statistics to tell us how we rank.
    We know what our IQ and our competence is and how we compare.
    We believe in demonstrating ourselves through achievements.
    Anyone can cook up a 'well researched' website.
    But no one can cook up achievements.
    You will know how far apart we are soon, with more achievements by Bharat coming on the way.

    British and anglo-saxon nations have a history of sabotaging/looting/misrepresenting Indian achievements starting from Vedas/Talpade's vedic vimana/languages/everything ever since you came to rule the subcontinent for 100 years.

    We'll make you payback in time for everything.
     
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    You are a people who were kicked out by your neck and you have the audacity to lecture us about Briitsh rule??
    You are the same pirates even today.
     
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    Actually, That is a fake statistic. No survey or study has been conducted to reach average IQ scores for most countries,let alone be a statistically relevant and unbiased one, and most of numbers are made belief fantasies of Richard Lynn who filled in IQ numbers on basis of race or separation between them.
     
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    Same result here:

    http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

    Indian people receive a better education in the UK, hence why they immigrate here. Now that you have independence why do so many Indians wish to emigrate?

    You wanted independence, you got it, now 70 years later you blame the UK for why you have a GDP/Capita two dozen times lower than that of Hong Kong and 30 times lower than Singapore, who both gained independence later than India.
     
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    it took over 200 years for USA to become a super power , with this much diversity and population( and of course corruption) India came very long in 70 years.
     
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    British education is seen as not education in India. It doesn't even compare. Stop stalking about education like you know anything.
    Who told you Indians emigrate to UK for 'better' education??
    I told you in India it is tough to get into school or colleges.
    And also to passout of colleges.
    Western education is seen as EASY, which is why rich families who want their not so bright kids to score omething good send them to western schools because it is so 'easy' education there, but not 'better' education.
     
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    Because UK destroyed all schools (which we called Gurukuls) in India and made India a least educated nation during their rule.
    And it took us some time to reeducate everyone back.
    And now we have a reeducated middle class (a very small percentage of India, but still in good numbers) who is making the nation great again.

    GDP does not mean growth.
    We're still the richest nation on the planet if you subtract the loans you have from the GDP (in GDP nly the produce is mentioned).
    And high GDP does not mean everything is great.
    GDP is a reflection of the amount of trade/sale happening.
    What I mean is you can have an enormous GDP if you put your nation for sale.
    That s all there is.
    GDP is a measure created to fool people by the International Rothschild criminal banking syndicate.
    GDP is not a measure of prosperity.

    We do not believe in positions in statistics, we believe in being real. Here's a video by a Polish person who made a documentary on it:
     
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    destroying country and raping and looting for 200 years . Killing all elite and education and replaced by slavish English schools .

    Irony is with all high IQ that you boost cannot build a rocket just garbage and hate when India does .

    Its funny people ask to forgot past, wonder they will forgot if some one did same thing them
     
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