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Livefist EXCLUSIVE: Indian Air Force Revives Electronic Snooper Jet Requirement

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  1. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    EXCLUSIVE: Indian Air Force Revives Electronic Snooper Jet Requirement
    Shiv AroorJul 19 2017 4 43 pm

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    The Indian Air Force has fine-tuned and revived a shot-in-the-dark requirement it floated back in 2012 for electronic snooping aircraft, specifically for signal intelligence (SIGINT) and communications jamming (COMJAM) duties. The fresh requirement is for a small fleet of specially kitted out twin-engine jets with a premium on Indian-built electronic warfare equipment customised for a unique list of missions centred around a two-front threat from China and Pakistan.

    While the Indian Air Force will operate the aircraft, their missions are to be administered by the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO), India’s principal technical intelligence agency. The Aviation Research Centre (ARC), a unit under India’s external intelligence agency RAW has operated a mix of SIGINT aircraft for years, including Gulfstream III and Bombardier Global 5000 jets, but has been looking for airborne kit with more specialised capabilities across the spectrum.

    The revived requirement has also reduced the number of required aircraft from nine to seven and is targeted primarily at Indian firms or consortiums, though a final RFP could well be a global one. Livefist has learnt that unlike the 2012 bid that never really took off, the government now intends to push forward the contest with a possible RFP in the second quarter of 2018 and a stipulated delivery start 24 months from contract signature.

    The request for information published by the Indian Air Force details the requirement as follows: Five aircraft should be suitably integrated by the OEM and certified for the SIGINT and COMJAM roles. Two aircraft should be certified to perform the SIGINT role. The basic platform for all the seven aircraft is to be the same platform and is to comply with FAA/JAAR or equivalent standards. The role equipment and role performance is to comply with related Mil STD/equivalent stipulations. The installation, integration and certification in respect of all role equipment are the responsibility of vendor.

    It would be interesting to see what aircraft platforms the IAF could be looking forward to. Twin engine jets it currently operates include the Embraer EMB-145 and Boeing 737, though it is near certain that the IAF will choose (if and when it does) business jet platforms like the former. The real test though will be in the selection of sensors and EW kit. A U.S. business jet platform with American electronic kit isn’t beyond the realm of possibility, but in the absence of bilateral agreements like the Communications Interoperability & Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA), it isn’t clear of export protected equipment will be released to India (several pieces of communications equipment couldn’t be supplied with U.S. built P-8s and C-130s are a result). While published interest from the IAF appears to place a premium on Indian origin equipment, it remains to be seen if the toss-up moves beyond Israel and Brasil.

    https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...vives-electronic-snooper-jet-requirement.html
     
  2. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    What is the use? I mean, if it is for NTRO/ARC then why is IAF involved here?
     
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  3. BlackOpsIndia

    BlackOpsIndia Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Little off topic- Parikrama I forgot the name of the aircraft that was used to scan a large area to locate enemy positions, process it and relay it to command. I guess two aircraft were ordered for that and later cancelled. Can you tell the name and status of that project? Is it considered now that we have threat on both borders?
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Who will fly the planes ; maintain the planes ; install the snooping devices
    And the countermeasures for Self protection

    NTRO decides which areas have to be clicked
    and then it evaluates the data and information generated
     
  5. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    How incorrect.
     
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  6. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Indeed, I think Shiv is way off the mark here. The NRTO and ARC have NOTHING to do with this bid- this is for IAF's fleet only.

    ARC/NRTO maintain their own fleets flown and maintained by their own personel, there is ZERO involvement from IAF and the NRTO/ARC do not publicise their procurements like this or go for global RFPs.

    These COMJAM/SIGINT planes are for the IAF to be owned and operated by them 100%, I don't see how the NRTO or ARC are involved in any way whatsoever- they have their own seperate fleets of such a/c.
     
  7. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    2 Platforms from Israel were recently added.... IAI ASTRA I think.....
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Not exactly how it happens...
     
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  9. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    I think it would surprise a lot of people to know how large the ARC's fleet of electronic support/warfare a/c is and it is constantly expanding quietly. They have quite a signifcant network of airbases/stations across India and because most are based on biz jet airframes most of the assets would be ignored by 99% of the population.
     
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  10. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    Shiv is probably wrong here, I don't think COMJAM/SIGINT capabilities are transferred to NTRO yet. ARC already have an few Israeli modified bombadians for the role. If anything is getting transferred its probably from ARC. NTRO is a civilian organisation IAF will not give away critical assets like that.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/raw-to-fold-its-covert-air-wing/
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    You are right, the most that will happen is ARC transfers their assets to NRTO (as was reported on last year) but there's no reason the IAF would transfer their assets to the civlian agencies or vice versa.

    Shiv is completely wrong here, the IAF would NOT be buying on behalf of NRTO/ARC- IAF is under MOD and intel agencies are under the PMO/secretariat, entirely seperate command structures and entirely seperate budgets with entirely different procurement mechanisms.
     
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  12. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Considering the timelines involved and emphasis on IDDM under DPP-2016, I wonder if DRDO/CABS/LRDE could make a bid of their own. We have seen how DRDO is maturing in this respect and they certainly are working on most elements of these kind of systems, they are even undertaking entire product design (Netra and Coast Guard MMA).

    The only issue is that they wouldn't have a proven platform to submit within the next 2 years but ideally these kind of sensitive systems should only ever be made in India.
     
  13. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Pilots are usually ex-IAF/IN/IA on permanent deputation
     
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    Bloom 17 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    How many a/c ARC and NTRO operate?
     
  15. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Of course, what better flight crew could you ask for? But that doesn't mean these fleets are operated by the military :p

    If I tell you that I will have to kill you...... ;)


    Seriously though I have ZERO idea, it's not something many people are going to know.
     
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